The consequences of automation

[Meowzltov]

Capitalism is the best solution so far, without huge corporations.
There was a reason the founders limited large corporations in the
early years of the country. If we get rid of the conglomerates, the
smaller companies can do without so much mechanization.
Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

I don't think you understood my question. What is your solution to the lack of any jobs for half the population in a half dozen years? It's due to automation, not socialism.

 

[visionary]

I don't think you understood my question. What is your solution to the lack of any jobs for half the population in a half dozen years? It's due to automation, not socialism.

I think it is the moral decay, seen in islamic takeovers, infestations, and in modern democratic/liberal views of the way the world should be. The world will not decline because of automation, but because of man's own self destructive mode.

 

[expos4ever]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg - Conservapedia

She has views you need to explore more. The way she views the world is eye opening. Ginsburg, according to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), "said the age of consent for sexual activity for women should be 12.

Well, the good senator is distorting. Ms. Ginsburg' praising of the revised text was focused on its shift to a gender neutral stance. Gender, was the issue she was concerned with.

Suggesting the she supports lowering the age of consent to 12 is like accusing someone of being in favour of stoning adulterers just because that person praised a rewording of Biblical texts to make them gender neutral.

 

[visionary]

Well, the good senator is distorting. Ms. Ginsburg' praising of the revised text was focused on its shift to a gender neutral stance. Gender, was the issue she was concerned with.

Suggesting the she supports lowering the age of consent to 12 is like accusing someone of being in favour of stoning adulterers just because that person praised a rewording of Biblical texts to make them gender neutral.

On p. 102 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code, under the sub-heading “Recommendations,” Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau recommend a revision of 18 U.S.C. §2032 from “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” to “A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and . . . the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old“. Below is the pertinent paragraph:

18 U.S.C. §2032 — Eliminate the phrase “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” and substitute a Federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense patterned after S. 1400 §1633: A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and (1) compels the other person to participate: (A) by force or (B) by threatening or placing the other person in fear that any person will imminently be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping; (2) has substantially impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the conduct by administering or employing a drug or intoxicant without the knowledge or against the will of such other person, or by other means; or (3) the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old.
Ginsburg (and her co-author) also recommends that the Mann Act be repealed. The Mann Act is a federal law passed in 1910 which makes it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of “any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose”.

 

[expos4ever]

On p. 102 of Sex Bias in the U.S. Code, under the sub-heading “Recommendations,” Ginsburg and Feigen-Fasteau recommend a revision of 18 U.S.C. §2032 from “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” to “A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and . . . the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old“. Below is the pertinent paragraph:

18 U.S.C. §2032 — Eliminate the phrase “carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife who has not attained the age of sixteen years” and substitute a Federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense patterned after S. 1400 §1633: A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, not his spouse, and (1) compels the other person to participate: (A) by force or (B) by threatening or placing the other person in fear that any person will imminently be subjected to death, serious bodily injury, or kidnapping; (2) has substantially impaired the other person’s power to appraise or control the conduct by administering or employing a drug or intoxicant without the knowledge or against the will of such other person, or by other means; or (3) the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old.

I have already fully explained this.

Justice Ginsberg was proposing a revision that ensured gender equality. She was not even addressing the part about 12 year old age of consent. To suggest she was endorsing an age of consent of 12 is like suggesting an electrician should not be paid for electrical work he or she did on a house because they did not also paint the house.

Ginsberg was dealing with one issue - the gender language.

It is disingenuous and unethical to distort this, as many conservatives have, into an endorsement for an age of consent of 12 years.

 

[visionary]

I have already fully explained this.

Justice Ginsberg was proposing a revision that ensured gender equality. She was not even addressing the part about 12 year old age of consent. To suggest she was endorsing an age of consent of 12 is like suggesting an electrician should not be paid for electrical work he or she did on a house because they did not also paint the house.

Ginsberg was dealing with one issue - the gender language.

It is disingenuous and unethical to distort this, as many conservatives have, into an endorsement for an age of consent of 12 years.

Pg 5... https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CHRG-GINSBURG/pdf/GPO-CHRG-GINSBURG-2-4-3-12.pdf

 

[Meowzltov]

Wow we've gone WAY off topic.

 

[pat34lee]

I don't think you understood my question. What is your solution to the lack of any jobs for half the population in a half dozen years? It's due to automation, not socialism.

It's due to megacorporations. Mom and pop
manufacturers and outlets don't have the same
need for automation as Amazon or Ford.

 

[expos4ever]

Pg 5... https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CHRG-GINSBURG/pdf/GPO-CHRG-GINSBURG-2-4-3-12.pdf

You are evading. You post an 18 page document that I am 99% sure you have not even read.

But prove me wrong - show me where in 18 pager there is a counter-argument to the argument I posted.

 

[Meowzltov]

It's due to megacorporations. Mom and pop
manufacturers and outlets don't have the same
need for automation as Amazon or Ford.

I think even mom and pop companies will be talking into iPhones which will print out letters, organize spreadsheets, do their banking, etc., eliminating the need for secretaries, accountants, and various clerks. People will flash photos of their atm cards, and all the money transactions will be done electronically, including in mom and pop places. A lot of this is already happening.

 

[visionary]

You are evading. You post an 18 page document that I am 99% sure you have not even read.

But prove me wrong - show me where in 18 pager there is a counter-argument to the argument I posted.

Top of pg 5

 

[expos4ever]

Top of pg 5

There is nothing at the top of page 5 that challenges the otherwise demonstrable truth that Ms. Ginsburg was not supporting a 12 year old age of consent but was rather applauding the change of language in the text so that it is now gender-neutral.

Now then: from her own pen, here is what Ms. Ginsburg was really concerned with:

A sex neutral definition of rape, such as the one set forth in S. 1400, § 1631, should be added to Title 18 or Title 10 and referred to throughout for the definition of the offense.

At the risk of spiking the football: The above is called "making a case". I have made a claim, and now provided supporting evidence. What evidence do you have to offer that Ms. Ginsburg actually supports a 12 year old age of consent? The evidence on the table to this point shows that what she supports is the use of gender-neutral language in the definition of rape.

Is there no lengths the extreme right will not go to distort the truth? I guess not - consider Alex Jones and his claim that Newtown was a fabrication.

The fact that you merely point at what other people have written and do not offer your own arguments for an appropriate interpretation suggests you are a person who had decided Ms. Ginsburg was guilty before you looked at the actual evidence.

 

[visionary]

There is nothing at the top of page 5 that challenges the otherwise demonstrable truth that Ms. Ginsburg was not supporting a 12 year old age of consent but was rather applauding the change of language in the text so that it is now gender-neutral.

1. The age of consent for sexual acts must be lowered to 12 years old. "Eliminate the phrase 'carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife, who has not attained the age of 16 years' and substitute a federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense. . . A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, . . . [and] the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old." (p. 102)

So while you point out the other fact of gender-neutral, the subject matter is age.

 

[expos4ever]

1. The age of consent for sexual acts must be lowered to 12 years old. "Eliminate the phrase 'carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife, who has not attained the age of 16 years' and substitute a federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense. . . A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person, . . . [and] the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old." (p. 102)

So while you point out the other fact of gender-neutral, the subject matter is age.

This has been repeatedly explained to you.

To suggest Ms. Ginsburg approves of a 12 year old age of consent would be like saying that someone who approves of re-wording the Bible to represent God as a "she" must therefore approve of stoning adulterers, since stoning of adulterers is promoted in the Bible (Old Testament, at least).

 

[Elihoenai]

robot (n.)

1923, from English translation of 1920 play "R.U.R." ("Rossum's Universal Robots"), by Karel Capek (1890-1938), from Czech robotnik "forced worker," from robota "forced labor, compulsory service, drudgery," from robotiti "to work, drudge," from an Old Czech source akin to Old Church Slavonic rabota "servitude," from rabu "slave," from Old Slavic *orbu-, from PIE *orbh- "pass from one status to another" (see orphan). The Slavic word thus is a cousin to German Arbeit "work" (Old High German arabeit). According to Rawson the word was popularized by Karel Capek's play, "but was coined by his brother Josef (the two often collaborated), who used it initially in a short story."

robot | Origin and meaning of robot by Online Etymology Dictionary


The Golem of Prague

Karel Čapek

Karel Čapek (Czech: [ˈkarɛl ˈtʃapɛk] (About this sound listen); 9 January 1890 – 25 December 1938) was a Czech writer of the early 20th century. He had multiple roles throughout his career, including playwright, dramatist, essayist, publisher, literary reviewer, photographer and art critic. Nonetheless, he is best known for his science fiction including his novel War with the Newts and the play R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots), which introduced the word robot.

Karel Čapek - Wikipedia

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[Meowzltov]

Wow, I never thought of the Golem as a robot.

 

[Elihoenai]

Here is a Mystery!

golem (n.)

"artificial man, automaton," 1897, from Hebrew golem [Psalms cxxxix.16] "shapeless mass, embryo," from galam "he wrapped up, folded."

golem | Origin and meaning of golem by Online Etymology Dictionary


American Psycho (2000) Scene: "Why don't you get a job?"

 

[Rachel Rachel]

Banking is another field which is expected to lose up to 30% of it's jobs to automation and that's happening quickly.

Financial services jobs first to feel the sting of automation | ITProPortal

 

[visionary]

The good news that Wall Street doesn't want to hear

Jobs may come and go, but the rate of unemployment suggests that other jobs have expanded the needs for hire. Unemployment in the U.S. in 2018 will likely sink to its lowest level since astronaut Neil Armstrong took his giant leap for mankind in landing on the moon nearly 50 years ago.

That's the view of noted Wall Street economist Joseph Lavorgna, who predicts that the nation's jobless rate -- now at 4.1 percent -- will fall to 3.5 percent by year-end. The last time unemployment was that low? December 1969, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

The good news that Wall Street doesn't want to hear

Jobs may come and go, but the rate of unemployment suggests that other jobs have expanded the needs for hire. Unemployment in the U.S. in 2018 will likely sink to its lowest level since astronaut Neil Armstrong took his giant leap for mankind in landing on the moon nearly 50 years ago.

That's the view of noted Wall Street economist Joseph Lavorgna, who predicts that the nation's jobless rate -- now at 4.1 percent -- will fall to 3.5 percent by year-end. The last time unemployment was that low? December 1969, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Did the article say what fields these new jobs will be in? In my metro area the Harley Davidson plant and the Proctor and Gamble plant are shutting down. Many jobs will be lost.