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Nobody thought it was a moral thing to have done and he was impeached for it. But he evidently did not break any state laws in doing so, at least not that anybody could find out about.
 
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I mean it looks like Piers’ argument falls apart right there. Clinton (who btw isn’t running or even qualified to be president anymore, while Trump is) didn’t have to defraud the State of New York to coverup his affair.
 
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I mean it looks like Piers’ argument falls apart right there. Clinton (who btw isn’t running or even qualified to be president anymore, while Trump is) didn’t have to defraud the State of New York to coverup his affair.
And a few years later, John Edwards was convicted of campaign finance violations for paying off a mistress.
 
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Nobody thought it was a moral thing to have done and he was impeached for it. But he evidently did not break any state laws in doing so, at least not that anybody could find out about.
I am still trying to find out what Law Trump Broke

Whoever did his finances, used a pul down menu on the software they were using, and picked the one which said expense paid to his lawyer for his lawyers work.

1. Thats what it was
2. There is no proof trump did this, and not someone else
3. its not a crime, it actually fit exactly what trump paid the liar who again lied on stand, to do.

so again

Why is clinton ok with doing it, But trump a whole different standard.
 
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I mean it looks like Piers’ argument falls apart right there. Clinton (who btw isn’t running or even qualified to be president anymore, while Trump is) didn’t have to defraud the State of New York to coverup his affair.
um, Clinton was a sitting president.. And you mean he did not pay that girl off so he could stay in office.

please.. lets be real here..
 
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Nobody thought it was a moral thing to have done and he was impeached for it. But he evidently did not break any state laws in doing so, at least not that anybody could find out about.
by the way, the statute of limitations for the state law had expired.. So even if trump was guilty (Which I still do not see any proof he was) it does not matter
 
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Nobody thought it was a moral thing to have done and he was impeached for it. But he evidently did not break any state laws in doing so, at least not that anybody could find out about.
I thought he was impeached for lying
 
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um, Clinton was a sitting president.. And you mean he did not pay that girl off so he could stay in office.

please.. lets be real here..
Where are the separate acts of business fraud in furtherance of Clinton’s coverup? That’s what Trump has been charge with. Not paying off his mistress. That’s not against the law. Business fraud is against the law. That’s what Trump did that Clinton didn’t do.
 
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I am still trying to find out what Law Trump Broke
This same question has been asked and answered dozens of times. He was charged with 34 counts of

Falsifying Business Documents
Clinton did not do this.

Also, Trump falsified documents to hide his payment to Stormy Daniels because it might affect the election, while Clinton practically had a giant check delivered to Paula Jones in public when he was already winding down his last term in office.
 
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Clinton did not do this.
Everybody (falsifies business documents.)* You're just going after Trump because he is trying to lead this country closer to God.

*Insert name of crime as appropriate.
 
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You've been specifically explained in multiple threads. At this point you're just trolling.
 
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A. Judge Merchan made a twenty dollar donation several years ago, and an ethics committee determined that as insignificant before the trial. Twenty bucks.

Actually, Judge Merchan made 3 monetary donations totaling $35 to decmocratic causes, one entitled, "Stop Republicans". I don't care what an ethics committee ruled. This absolutely calls into question the impartiality of the judge. CNN reported on it in April 2023.

The political donations are undoubtedly small, but they nevertheless raise questions about Merchan’s impartiality as he has come under attack by the former president as a “Trump-hating judge.”
“While the amounts here are minimal, it’s surprising that a sitting judge would make political donations of any size to a partisan candidate or cause,” said Elie Honig, a senior CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor.
Would a different judge have handled things differently? Perhaps. Perhaps not. We'll never know since the trial proceeded with the clearly biased judge.

B. When a defendant has million dollar lawyers filing dozens of postponements, it's not so easy.

The timing of this case is highly suspect. We're talking about a trial that should have been for a misdemeanor that occurred more than 8 years ago. But that wouldn't fly, because the statute of limitations had expired. So, Bragg, who famously bragged during his campaign that he had sued the Trump administration more than 100 times, decided to amp up the charges to the lowest possible felony so that the statute of limitations wouldn't apply and so that Democrats could coin the new phrase, "Convicted Felon Donald Trump." In that respect, Bragg delivered on his campaign promise and cemented himself in the history books.

And for what? I think this Tweet sums up the way many Americans feel about the verdict.



The machinations that were necessary to arrive at this conviction are not lost on most people. And in a populace that already had a historically low trust in the US justice system, this will only serve to further impugn the legitimacy of that system. Worse still for Democrats, there is now a large swath of the population that feels that THEY have been cheated by the justice system and can now empathize with Trump.
 
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Perhaps you have less faith in the justice system because Mr. Trump was tried and convicted in NY, but many millions of us have regained a little...just a little more faith in the justice system.

We still have two Supreme Court justices who have taken millions in patronage money and who can now add probable treason to their battered, tattered curriculum vitae. Ginny Thomas conspired with the 1/6 insurrectionists--you think her husband was too busy counting his expensive gifts to know? Mrs. Alito, over 70 years old, managed to put that flag upside down on the garage--and her husband backed in and out of the driveway for 11 days and never noticed? And the beach house conspiracy theory flag as well? The Chief Justice unveiled an ethics plan, custom made for justices to arrogantly ignore, dripping with undeserved entitlement. Of course the Chief Justice's wife had made $8 million in ten years as a headhunter for Washington firms trying cases before the Supreme Court. Can't you just hear them? "Mrs. Roberts is our very favorite headhunter, and that's why she's 'earned' $800,000 a year in commissions from all of us."

And then we have Justice Cannon, Trump's appointee and apparent puppet. The case that's so slam-dunk most defendants would try to cut a deal and plead guilty has been battered into oblivion, but her marching orders are obviously to schedule it sometime in 2030? 2040? Who knows?

Along with the historic racial and economic biases in many states--Texas probably leads the hall of shame in this one, executing convicts with IQs of 60 whose only crime was being framed by shrewder, smarter murderers.

But for once, we can believe in justice again. The real picture of Donald Trump is unfolding, thanks to the diligence of the NY justice system.

A man with a phony university who bilked thousands of students hoping to improve their careers. $25 million judgment only covered some of their losses.

A man who owned a business that consistently overappraised assets to get loans and minimized them to avoid taxes. Judgment $450 billion.

A man who sexually assaulted a woman, and when she took him to court, destroyed her reputation with vicious lies. Judgment $83 million.

A man who concealed his promiscuous sexual activity with porn stars and playmates because he wanted to win an election. Judgment, guilty on 34 counts.

They have a long record of wins because he has a long record of dishonesty, fraud, promiscuity, etc.

Pro Publica found yesterday that many of his employees promised never to testify against him due to NDA's. One is now making $60K a month. Another is making $3 million a year.

I agree that the NY trial was the most inconsequential of the bunch, but they deserve a ton of credit for running the gauntlet of overpaid lawyers and hundreds of motions and getting something done.

I would venture to guess that he has now been held accountable for perhaps 10% of his misdeeds through the years. May he be held accountable for much more in the future.
 
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How is that crumbling? Those quotes from Fiorentini seem like reasonable responses to me.
 
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And yet he is still ahead in the polls, received 200 million in contributions since the conviction, and even Democrats are saying lawfare was the wrong approach. People are siding with Trump.

Don't you wonder why?

And when did Democrats start caring about "immoral and unethical?"
 
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And yet he is still ahead in the polls, received 200 million in contributions since the conviction, and even Democrats are saying lawfare was the wrong approach. People are siding with Trump.

Don't you wonder why?

In some ways, yes, I do. In other ways, no, I don’t.

And when did Democrats start caring about "immoral and unethical?"
Somebody had to pick up that torch.
 
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The conservative propaganda machine is giving you incorrect info.
Biden is now leading in 3 swing states and leads in national polls.
The NYC case was the weakest of the four but they reached the finish line when others couldn't.
Three huge cases, 2 civil, one criminal.
Sexual assault.
Corporate tax fraud
34 criminal convictions for falsifying information to conceal payoffs used to influence an election.
A Trifecta, and TBT, I think they've just scratched the surface. His days of no-accountability are over.
So kudos to NY.
 
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