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I think that's what your supposed to do.How about you first establish that this even is a "miracle" in the first place, instead of just asserting it?
Because you know, things aren't always as they seem:
Very good! I just am not sure when it comes to the secrets of God that you have identified correctly those who are ignorantPretending to have an answer, is worse then acknowledging ignorance.
Acknowledging ignorance is also a good thing. It paves the way for additional research and progress. It's how we learn things: "I don't know how this functions...lets get to work and find out"
As opposed to: "God-dun-it...who needs evidence when you have faith..."
Alice then makes something up?You either don't comprehend the scenario, or you are deliberatly ignoring the point made...
Bob is acknowledging his ignorance in the matter. He doesn't understand what is going on and is honest about it by saying that he doesn't know.
Alice then merely makes something up. The total non-explanation that "god-dun-it", while this god can't even be shown to exist, let alone that it has anything whatsoever to do with the apparant walking on water part.
In other words, Alice, is asserting a causal relationship, which can not be shown to exist, and attributes it to an entity which also cannot be shown to exist.
If that isn't an assertion without evidence, I don't know what is.
It means you first believe there is a God and you go to seek to know Him for yourselfHow exactly does "faith" establish things as being "possible"?
Do not put bitter for sweet, evil for good, darkness for lightAllah is said to be omnipotent and all-merciful, which attributes are also logically at odds; and any omnipotent, omni-benevolent or all-merciful god concept faces the problem of evil. As already said, you can't explain with the inexplicable (or incoherent).
Then test it for yourself which is what a man is capable and able to do and should do
i didn't already tell you that when God makes Himself known you know.
It's the very reason why those whom God has revealed Himself to can't stop from speaking
I think that's what your supposed to do.
Sorry. You are wrong on all counts1. test your own hypothesis, don't tell me to do YOUR homework
2. even if I would go through the trouble of doing YOUR work for you, I wouldn't be able to, because....-drumroll-.... It is not a testable idea. Which is the whole point, off course.
It's just yet another unfalsifiable braintwist. Such models are completely useless and meaningless - not to mention, infinite in number.
Pondering and coming up with unfalsifiable ideas, is about as big a time waste as it gets.
Very good! I just am not sure when it comes to the secrets of God that you have identified correctly those who are ignorant
Alice then makes something up?
Hmmm.... The assertion without evidence is coming from you. Not Alice
It means you first believe there is a God and you go to seek to know Him for yourself
Without faith it is impossible to please GOD for one would have to believe that HE IS and a rewarder of all who diligently seek HIM
Sorry. You are wrong on all counts
Except for bullet 1
I don't have to test anything
I know what I know what I know
Because of the Truth that GOD is the one who reveals HIS TRUTH
And when HE does there really isn't anything more needed to do
Then you need to get off the merry go roundYes, you said that already. I asked you how such a "methodology" established things as being "possible".
Suppose I believe that I can jump from the Empire State building without a parachute and live to tell the story. Is it now "possible" for me to do exactly that, just because I believe it? Or are my beliefs about it rather irrelevant, when it comes to the possibility of surviving a jump from the Empire State building?
You seem to be confusing yourself. We aren't talking about the "possibility" of "pleasing god" here.
Maybe you should try and catch up, before continuing the conversation.
Then go "learn"
Or I DO comprehend the scenario but you'd rather not hear it.You either don't comprehend the scenario, or you are deliberatly ignoring the point made...
...and isn't open minded about hearing possible explanations. That's the point that's been made repeatedly.Bob is acknowledging his ignorance in the matter. He doesn't understand what is going on and is honest about it by saying that he doesn't know.
Then you need to get off the merry go round
What did you think this argument has to do with?Owkay then.
Please, explain to us all how the "hypothesis" of Alice can be independently tested.
Since you say that I'm wrong, you are saying the Alice's model IS testable. So go ahead and explain HOW it is testable. And be precise.
Would you except this "argument", if it was about anything else then the god you happen to already believe in?
now why would I do that when He is Sovereign. All things are seen in Light of Him and that Truth. I hold nothing permanently in my hands but I have EVERYTHING needed and needful because I am in His HandsThen go "believe less" and learn more.
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