The circular argument of God and miracles

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Well if that is how you see it. Then it is up to every man to prove for himself
That is if he sees outward input from others as he is contemplating this unexplainable occurrence as as "interruption" to what he is so carefully considering

The relevant point is that Bob says he wonders how it is happening. This is sufficient to counter juvenissun's objection.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I was going by what Bob said, not someone else's interpretation of his thinking. That's what most of us have thought right to do.

Bob says two thing in the OP:

"Wow, I don't understand how this is happening as it appears to defy all laws of physics. I wonder how he is doing it?"
"But, first we must establish that God exists. How do you know God exists?"

Neither of those statements indicates that Bob is ruling anything out.

Bob is the person who's being rational in the exchange.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

To have God or a god is certainly possible.

What's your evidence that a god is possible?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Lol. This is such a merry-go-round
And by the way "A" at the beginning of a root word means
"not"
Therefore atheist is a belief. Just not for God

That's not true at all. The etymology of a word has nothing to do with its current meaning.

Atheism is a lack of a belief.

 

[miknik5]

"... a tentative conjecture explaining an observation, phenomenon or scientific problem that can be tested by further observation, investigation and/or experimentation."

so go and test it

 

[miknik5]

That's not true at all. The etymology of a word has nothing to do with its current meaning.

Atheism is a lack of a belief.

A lack of belief in___________?

 

[miknik5]

What's your evidence that a god is possible?

Faith and without it well there is the problem already

If one even has faith the size of a mustard seed he would have sought for himself

But right now it is easier to blame others for their lack of doing the work of seeking for themselves.

All it. Ones down to in the end is that Truth remains Truth regardless and one will not be able to blame another

They simply did not believe the testimonies given to this Truth

 

[ToddNotTodd]

A lack of belief in___________?

... a god or gods.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Faith and without it well there is the problem already

So someone who has faith in Vishnu is evidence that Vishnu is real?

 

[miknik5]

So someone who has faith in Vishnu is evidence that Vishnu is real?

Only One God

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Only One God

So now you're saying that faith isn't evidence that a god exists.

So what's your evidence that a god is even possible?

 

[miknik5]

So now you're saying that faith isn't evidence that a god exists.

So what's your evidence that a god is even possible?

The testimonies of those who are telling you as His witnesses to The truth which you do not believe

There isn't anything we have to do nor is there anything that we can actively do. We can't force you to believe, we can't force you to "enter in" but we are called to preach the Truth as a testimony

Please understand and be like the townspeople in John 4

That is YOUR OWN work and it requires YOU personally to seek, to ask, and to knock

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The testimonies of those who are telling you as His witnesses to The truth which you do not believe

So the testimonies of people who believe in Vishnu are evidence that Vishnu exists.

Gotcha.

 

[miknik5]

So the testimonies of people who believe in Vishnu are evidence that Vishnu exists.

Gotcha.

In the end, do you think Vishnu will be standing and testifying of himself as the way the truth and the life?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Do you think at the end Vishnu will be testifying of himself?

Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking if I believe in Vishnu?

If so, then no. I don't have any reason to believe that Vishnu exists in the same way that I have no reason to believe that the Christian god exists.

My initial question was what evidence do you have that any god is possible?

 

[juvenissun]

Without a description, God or a god is just an unidentified label - as I said previously. Alice may as well say a Boojum did it.

Of course not. Most people know the idea of God.

 

[juvenissun]

That appears to be what Bob is doing; he says he doesn't understand how it occurs, then he says, "I wonder how he is doing it", implying that he is considering, or is about to consider, potential hypotheses. At this point, he is interrupted by Alice with her unsupported assertion of the inexplicable.

That is the question, not an answer (hypothesis).

 

[juvenissun]

What's your evidence that a god is possible?

The evidence is in your mind.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The evidence is in your mind.

Minds can come up with all sorts of things which can't possibly exist.

Or are you saying that gods exists as concepts and not as existent things?

Because that's a possibility...

 

[miknik5]

Not sure what you are asking. Are you asking if I believe in Vishnu?

If so, then no. I don't have any reason to believe that Vishnu exists in the same way that I have no reason to believe that the Christian god exists.

My initial question was what evidence do you have that any god is possible?

My initial response is the witnesses who all hold to the testimony of Jesus

What I was telling you sir is that only one has been given authority over flesh to give to whom He chooses LIFE

And it isn't vishnu