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It is indeed and in truth devastating! Except for protection divine, we too perish. Many may gradually fall away not realizing they are departing from truth, since/when/ truth is not the standard.It's really mind-blowing to me.
Our mission should be to love and obey God the way He asks, not the way we think is best. Its why we are in this whole mess.
Just to note, Eve saw that the tree was good for making a person wiseAdam and Eve thought a tree was just a tree,
...but by their disobedience to God, it changed everything. People think the Sabbath is just another day, but sadly do not realize what it does to Christ Eze 22:26
I guess we will all find out soon enough if God meant what He said. I think He does, so my faith is in what He said not the popular teachings of man.
Yes! And maybe as it relates to the Sabbath and the Law,They did not believe God, like Noah, Abraham, etc.
Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.Indeed. And what is Christ's commandments? It is the commandment to love each other.
God did not tell the nations to eat Jewish Kosher.Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. (See exodus 20: 1-17)
Let's take a look at Roman 8: 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. This is true, because Jesus says in John 4: 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Jesus also say in John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. So walking in the spirit is the word of God, which is keeping his Commandments. Jesus says in John 14: 15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.The role of the Holy Spirit is intrinsic to Christian living, what exactly do you think the HS does?
Do you need me to post verses that we should keep in step with the HS?
John 16:13-15
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.
Do you ask the HS to reveal to you this truth? (Hint: It's why he is here)
2 Cor 3:3-4
You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody. You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
What do you think written with the Spirit of the Living God means and not with tablets of stone but on our hearts? Do you think it means the tablets were verbatim etched into our heart? That conclusion would not require the Holy Spirit since the truth is already revealed to us. What's on our heart is of the HS, not of the tablets. Seek the HS for guidance, not the 10.
This remark is inappropriate. We approach scripture differently but please don't suggest I don't honor God's words. Your remarks are hurtful as they suggest I dishonor God and don't care about what he desires for me. If you have nothing more to say that's fine... but don't say that.I guess we will all find out soon enough if God meant what He said.
Going to church on Sunday, the pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter, praying to the Virgin Mary, I could go on and on. And most so-called Christians know these rituals have nothing to do with Jesus and the Bible, but a lot of work get put into them. But the Sabbath day is all through out the Bible and you going to trick yourself in believing the Sabbath day is done away with.I have never disputed with you that sin is a breaking of God's Law. That is not under debate. What is up for debate here is what God's Law is for us today versus what God's Law was before Christ. The two are very different.
Melchizedek was not High Priest. He was just a priest to God, and also the king of Salem. Jesus is like him in that Jesus is also both King and priest, but Jesus is High Priest, and King of Kings.
Again, I have never disputed that the Laws of God did not exist before the Law was given at Mt Sinai. And the laws against murder, adultery, lust, (1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, & 10 of the ten commandments) are all restated as being still part of the NT just as they were in the OT. But keeping the sabbath is not listed among the laws we must keep under the NT.
Baptism also initiates the continual cleansing that washes away all future sins as well.
Again, this is not under debate. We must keep the laws of God as they pertain to us today. But the keeping of the sabbath does not pertain to us today.
Not true. All of the OT was removed. The law of circumcision, which dates back to Abraham (400 years before the Law was given on Mt Sinai (Gen 17, Gal 5:2-6), is no longer relevant under the NT. The law of meat restrictions which was first given at Mt Sinai (Lev 11, Deut 14) is no longer relevant under the NT (Mark 7:18-19, Acts 10:9-16). The law of keeping the sabbath is no longer relevant under the NT (Col 2:16-17, Rom 14:5-9). The law restricting the priesthood to the Levites is no longer relevant under the NT (Heb 7:12).
Yes, walk in the commandments of God that are relevant to your time. Abraham walked in the commandments of God that were relevant to him. He was not circumcised until he was a very old man (not when he was 8 days old like those under the Law of Moses had to be). He could eat any meat that he pleased, because there were no dietary restrictions in his time. Melchizedek was priest to God, because there was no law restricting the priesthood to the Levites. And there was no sabbath keeping in Abraham's time. But during the time of the Law of Moses, these things changed. Now we are under only the NT laws. We are not subject to the laws given in the OT in any way, for it has been fulfilled, completed, swept away, and is no longer relevant to anyone living in the NT era.
when he tells you not to eat certain meats
This would be a commandment outside of the 10 which would be inconsistent on your part. What gives you the authority to hand pick what you call God's commandments and then sweep the rest under a rug? Is not circumscion God's commandment? It certainly was for Abraham as it is the sign of an everlasting covenant between him and God for generations to come, the same language used for the Sabbath (and explicitly in the flesh) It was for Moses as he was almost put to death for not being obedient to this commandment. How do you justify cutting one but not the other?We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.
I’m not trying to be hurtful, so my apologies if it came off that way, but I do believe God meant what He said the way He said it. He spoke and wrote it, it truly cannot be made clearer. God placed the Sabbath commandment in the same category as only worship God and not to murder all placed inside the ark of the Covenant Exo 40:20This remark is inappropriate. We approach scripture differently but please don't suggest I don't honor God's words. Your remarks are hurtful as they suggest I dishonor God and don't care about what he desires for me. If you have nothing more to say that's fine... but don't say that.
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