The Challenger: What's Wrong with this Picture?

[Enilorac]

Okay, but what was the reason WHY the scientists in Germany had to use helium instead of hydrogen?

Helium is inert. Hydrogen is explosive. The Hindenburg used hydrogen.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Helium is inert. Hydrogen is explosive. The Hindenburg used hydrogen.

I know that. Reread the question I said: but what was the reason WHY the scientists in Germany had to use helium instead of hydrogen?

 

[AV1611VET]

Okay, but what was the reason WHY the scientists in Germany had to use helium instead of hydrogen?

The love of money?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you really think that engineering disasters are limited to the 20th century and beyond?

Nope -- not at all.

Aren't the ones I mentioned good enough?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The love of money?

The Hindenburg Disaster: 9 Surprising Facts
U.S. law prevented the Hindenburg from using helium instead of hydrogen, which is flammable.
After the crash of the hydrogen-filled R101, in which most of the crew died in the subsequent fire rather than the impact itself, Hindenburg designer Hugo Eckener sought to use helium, a non-flammable lifting gas. However, the United States, which had a monopoly on the world supply of helium and feared that other countries might use the gas for military purposes, banned its export, and the Hindenburg was reengineered. After the Hindenburg disaster, American public opinion favored the export of helium to Germany for its next great zeppelin, the LZ 130, and the law was amended to allow helium export for nonmilitary use. After the German annexation of Austria in 1938, however, Secretary of Interior Harold Ickes refused to ink the final contract.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Hindenburg Disaster: 9 Surprising Facts
U.S. law prevented the Hindenburg from using helium instead of hydrogen, which is flammable.
After the crash of the hydrogen-filled R101, in which most of the crew died in the subsequent fire rather than the impact itself, Hindenburg designer Hugo Eckener sought to use helium, a non-flammable lifting gas. However, the United States, which had a monopoly on the world supply of helium and feared that other countries might use the gas for military purposes, banned its export, and the Hindenburg was reengineered. After the Hindenburg disaster, American public opinion favored the export of helium to Germany for its next great zeppelin, the LZ 130, and the law was amended to allow helium export for nonmilitary use. After the German annexation of Austria in 1938, however, Secretary of Interior Harold Ickes refused to ink the final contract.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, or disagreeing.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, or disagreeing.

100% disagreeing with you. Note the phrase "feared that other countries might use the gas for military purposes...". Definitely no money involved.

You, sir, are an absolute fool.

 

[AV1611VET]

100% disagreeing with you. Note the phrase "feared that other countries might use the gas for military purposes...". Definitely no money involved.

If you can't use a candle, use a dynamite stick ... right?

You, sir, are an absolute fool.

I've been called worse.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If you can't use a candle, use a dynamite stick ... right?

Or rather, can't use a candle, and be forced to use dynamite that can be inert as it can be explosive because you're forced to do so by your government.

I've been called worse.

Buddy, trust me: I would 100% call you what I REALLY want to call you, but I'm just abiding with the rules of the website.

 

[AV1611VET]

Buddy, trust me: I would 100% call you what I REALLY want to call you, but I'm just abiding with the rules of the website.

Would you advocate putting a crown of thorns on my head as well?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Would you advocate putting a crown of thorns on my head as well?

You are definitely not comparable to Jesus. You're just a man who seems to have a desperate need for attention and have no care where or how you get it.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're just a man who seems to have a desperate need for attention and have no care where or how you get it.

In that case, thanks for the reinforcement.

 

[sjastro]

Perhaps God sent three guys to warn them?

This doesn't even make sense.
Isn't God supposed to be omnipotent and would have known the outcome would fail so why send the three guys in the first place?
St Thomas Aquinas would have a field day with your lack of logic.

 

[AV1611VET]

This doesn't even make sense.
Isn't God supposed to be omnipotent and would have known the outcome would fail so why send the three guys in the first place?
St Thomas Aquinas would have a field day with your lack of logic.

Would St Thomas Aquinas have a field day with 4 major prophets and 12 minor ones?

 

[sjastro]

Would St Thomas Aquinas have a field day with 4 major prophets and 12 minor ones?

Totally irrelevant and answer my question why would God send three men to warn about Challenger when God already new Challenger would be a disaster.
Highly intelligent individuals like St Thomas Aquinas understood the paradox of associating God with omnipotence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Totally irrelevant and answer my question why would God send three men to warn about Challenger when God already new Challenger would be a disaster.
Highly intelligent individuals like St Thomas Aquinas understood the paradox of associating God with omnipotence.

QV please:

Parable of the drowning man - Wikipedia

 

[sjastro]

QV please:

Parable of the drowning man - Wikipedia

Another failure in critical thinking skills.
The parable does not address omnipotence but free will, God gave the drowning man an option of being saved through physical means not miracles which is the point of the parable.

Note the Challenger astronauts had no such options as they were unaware of the risks which raises another question if God was to send a warning why not to the astronauts themselves.

 

[AV1611VET]

... another question if God was to send a warning why not to the astronauts themselves.

I give up.

Why?

 

[sjastro]

I give up.

Why?

It was meant to be rhetorical question.
If you were tipped off your next your neighbour was going to be burgled would you?
(1) Directly inform your neighbour to keep their doors and windows locked.
Or;
(2) Contact the Pluto hating IAU organization and expect them to notify your neighbour.

 

[jacks]

To the OP...

I think it is likely the crew didn't know of the potential problem. This would be consistent with NASA decisions like the one they made not to tell the Shuttle Columbia crew of problems. Though one is before and the other is after the problem. NASA management probably thought the potential gain (image, financial, media, etc.) was greater than the potential risk and felt they had a right to make that decision.

"After one of the MMTs (Mission Management Team) when possible damage to the orbiter was discussed, he (Flight Director Jon Harpold) gave me his opinion: 'You know, there is nothing we can do about damage to the TPS (Thermal Protection System). If it has been damaged it's probably better not to know. I think the crew would rather not know. Don't you think it would be better for them to have a happy successful flight and die unexpectedly during entry than to stay on orbit, knowing that there was nothing to be done, until the air ran out?" HERE

Okay, back to insulting AV...