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I'm curious, those that say the Biblical God has to leave evidence in order to exist - what do you think you should find?
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Elioenai26
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No.
I do not believe in Zeus because he has not proven himself to be a loving, faithful, Just, Holy, Righteous, God who is concerned about ever aspect of my life and the lives of my loved ones. Zeus is a mythological character. Jesus is my best friend, the lover of my soul. My true and faithful companion.
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Sectio Aureo
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As I said, the reason you are atheistic towards Zeus is the same reason I am not a Christian. I do not believe in Jesus because he has not proven himself to be a loving, faithful, Just, Holy, Righteous, God who is concerned about ever aspect of my life and the lives of my loved ones.
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Reality.
Of course. This is inherent in my answer to (1). If God could change reality such that it strongly points to the presence and requirement of there being a creator, then such a change could also theoretically change my view-point such that I would have no more objections.
Probably intellectual? I don't understand the alternatives.
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I have no clue.
An "ultimate" being as it were. Such a being would be the creator of our universe, therefore it would be able to do whatever it wanted - unstoppable forces and immovable objects.
Probably.
Who? Zeus?
The Jesus that you speak of is almost certainly imaginary.
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I just want to point out 2 things:
my post # 42 (even though its not an answer to anything, much less life and everything)
The last sentence of post #48 is the sort of thing that will get this thread closed under the GA rule. Makes it difficult to discuss, but not impossible. Couch things in subjective terms instead of declarative, avoid escalation, and we may be ok?
my post # 42 (even though its not an answer to anything, much less life and everything)
The last sentence of post #48 is the sort of thing that will get this thread closed under the GA rule. Makes it difficult to discuss, but not impossible. Couch things in subjective terms instead of declarative, avoid escalation, and we may be ok?
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Sectio Aureo
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I did experience him as you do, I was once a devout Christian, however I'm mature enough now to realize it was all a delusion.
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It does not matter what you use, Prayer does not work any more often than chance. Thank you for your concern anyway.
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God as defined by various religions doesn't appear to exist.
If God existed and wanted me to believe in God then there would be.
That would depend on the nature of God.
Yes, this would be true by definition.
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Depending on what sort of god is being presented to me, the biggest problem I have with the concept is either
- the lack of a coherent definition for god; or
- the lack of evidence for the presented hypothesis.
If the concept of a god is being properly defined, and objectively verifiable evidence for the hypothesis is presented, I will change my mind.
It is not an obstacle, question, or complaint as such. It is simply my response to any claims about the world that are presented to me. You can call this skepticism if you want.
I think that if there is no possible evidence for God, that means that the concept is irrelevant.
That very much depends on what kind of God would exist. A deistic God wouldn't have a relationship with me, while a personal god would. I think the lack of evidence for both concepts damages the hypothesis of a personal God more than it does the hypothesis of a deistic God. So I think there is an argument to be made for the statement that a deistic god is less unlikely than a personal one. But I have no way to tell until I'm presented with evidence for the existence of a God.
My understanding is that a lot of people use the concept for a lot of different things. Mostly they ascribe properties to it that they desire for themselves, or recognize in themselves. Most of the time these properties are all considered positive by the believer, and seem to be exaggerated traits of people that we know. Sometimes the different properties ascribed to God by one person can be logically incompatible, rendering the concept useless.
Sure. But I'm not sure what would constitute "sufficient evidence".
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Evidently that means you did NOT experience Him as he does, nor as I do, nor as the Church has.
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