The Big Bang (Hypothesis) vs. Creationism

HitchSlap said:

Why do Christians insist that we need some type of "objective" morals, when every indication from every society since recorded history suggests we make our own?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Without objectivity, there is no order.

Thats why the world is in the condition it is and you dont even realize the collapse is coming.

The US has aborted 50,000,000 human babies.
The US killed over 500,000 children in the gulf war, and mamed untold numbers of civilians.

This is a direct violation of Gods law, and now we are legalizing it..

The current economic catastrophe that is coming is a result of what we did wrong..

God warned us.

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Ana the Ist said:

I just want to say this thread has gotten far more amusing than it was when I left yesterday.

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variant said:

We've also been more civilized than ever.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

As soon as Israel and Pakistan get peace, the Jews will errect the Temple of God.

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variant said:

A philosophy that makes you fear both war AND peace?

I sometimes think that I am the kind of person that would have the capability to do this sort of thing to you guys, but sometimes I must just sit back and revel in it's mastery.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Relax, lets come to an understanding, or an impasse..

What are your beliefs predicated on concerning your existence? Spirituality?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Its easier to work backwards through you to get to the fundamental issue keeping you from God.

Intellectuals are toughest because we see our world mathematically, logically and at the same time with an imagination that most people may not operate with. Abstract thinking was always my enemy and I never understood why until I realized I was using it for my own selfish understanding, rather than an applicable measure of altruism.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

What do use as an objective basis for your morals?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

For example, some people say that murder is bad because they will go to jail.

Some people say murder is bad because Buddha said to treat others the way you want to be treated. (Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself).

Some people just know that murder is wrong, and if affects them severely to the point they are sad or upset about it.

Some people just know that murder is wrong, and if affects them severely to the point they are sad or upset about it.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

They are also convicted by this as they have a reason to know its objectively wrong, because our creator forbids us from killing each other.

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Davian said:

I would describe my theistic position as ignostic.
Ah.. you guys with this ignostic business.. I remember when the term went mainstream..

I would not consider myself an intellectual.
Well thats interesting, I would say you are, or else I wouldn't be having this conversation.

I do not have an objective basis for my morals, or see it as a requirement.
Ok, so you just decide whats wright or wrong on your own or do you follow the law?

Murder, by definition, is unlawful. Breaking the law has consequences. Is it always wrong to break the law? By what measure?
So you wont listen to God, but you listen to Man?

I would never have guessed that from reading the bible.
Have you read the Bible at all, at least from a philosophical perspective?

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Ana the Ist said:

I wonder just how many failed end-time prophecies it will take before mankind grows out of them?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Tried to keep with format.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Ah.. you guys with this ignostic business.. I remember when the term went mainstream..

Well thats interesting, I would say you are, or else I wouldn't be having this conversation.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Ok, so you just decide whats wright or wrong on your own or do you follow the law?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Murder, by definition, is unlawful. Breaking the law has consequences. Is it always wrong to break the law? By what measure?

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So you wont listen to God, but you listen to Man?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Have you read the Bible at all, at least from a philosophical perspective?

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Davian said:

I will only fix the bbcode for you this once, Mr. "IQ of 170".
lol, the secret is that from 100-170 is literally NO DIFFERENCE lol..

The most intellectual people in this world are children.. Bet on it..

I will also correct you on another thing: I am not here looking for religion. I am here to learn about theists. It is easier to practice here than on the family.

Interesting.. What interests you if I might ask?

A failed attempt at flattery, particularly of yourself.
No I literally meant that if you were a dolt, I wouldnt be conversing with you..

You have asked, and I have answered, this question already.

At this point in our exchange, gods are characters in books. Movies too. You do know what ignostic means, do you not? Or do we have to hash that out?

Lol, well aware.. I think its cheap agnosticism personally.. but its better than atheism, which doesnt jive intellectually, even if you dont believe in God, the logic is middle of the road, take a stance of indifference and presume nothing (agnostic)

I said, murder, by definition, is unlawful. Breaking the law has consequences. Is it always wrong to break the law? By what measure?
Yes, of course, its always wrong to break the law. lol, try it and see how it works.. We as Christians are instructed by God to serve others, following the law is usually not an issue, and its in good standing with the flow of society. We dont agree with the laws but we are forbidden from interfering or revolting or anything like that.. If we are to be executed for our beliefs, we must do so with no struggle.

Will I continue to have to repeat myself a lot with you?
I wont converse with you if you dont want me to, say the word mang..


Yes.

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Davian said:

I am not reformatting your post for you.

Was Rosa Parks wrong for breaking the law?

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Psychology is manmade.

So is philosophy, and science, which is a method of testing for validity, not disproving God.

Science fails by its own premises..

Nothing in this world is objective, because all matter breaks down into chaos.

You know this, I know this.

We are beyond our scope of understanding.



I personally believe that the earth is 6000 years old. There is nothing objectively showing that two men have ever dated the same material and got the same results.

You dont date rocks for their age, they are matter that has existed since the show started.

I personally think the celebrity physicists are nothing but ministers of their own faiths.

They wouldnt debate a guy like me, I can crash their logic in a philosophical conversation based on the Socratic method. I dont even need God for that.

Had I not bought the same reality you did, I would have never worked through it.

This is your reality, and I want to spend a few minutes looking at what I am showing and telling you...

How will so many Christians and others be mislead?

By media, and those who sold their souls for the riches of this world.. If you join the AC system, you are condemning your soul to death.

The eye at the top represents the people in this world that are untouchable by the lower class.. The love of money is the root of all evil, and they condition us with symbolism in front of our very eyes.


You know them by their allegiance to the all seeing eye of satan..


Novus ordo seclorum "New world Order" aka Antichrist system or Beast System

This is not the mark, but it is a symbol of allegiance to the god of this world..

This is why celebrities use it openly, its a sign of allegiance..

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.



Your reality is a front, sold to you and programmed into you from the day you are born, and you dont even know it yet..

I promise friend, in a short space of time, you are going to question everything you thought you knew..

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Oh yes, she absolutely was..

We are taught to suffer. Her pride got her arrested. It was unnecessary.


We operate on this formula.

Love as many people and help as many people as you can before your needs are met...

Crazy I know..


The idea is that the more people understand the power of altruism, the healthier we are as a society.

This will manifest in a better planet and overall happiness for all.

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Davian said:

Let's see if you can get your other foot into your mouth as well.

Was Mahatma Gandhi wrong from breaking the law?

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bhsmte said:

I got news for you, the bible is man made as well and by authors that were unknown. It was men who decided what would make it into the bible as well.

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xXChristPeripheralXx said:

Without objectivity, there is no order.

Thats why the world is in the condition it is and you dont even realize the collapse is coming.

The US has aborted 50,000,000 human babies.
The US killed over 500,000 children in the gulf war, and mamed untold numbers of civilians.

This is a direct violation of Gods law, and now we are legalizing it..

The current economic catastrophe that is coming is a result of what we did wrong..

God warned us.

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