The Bible Right Or Wrong!

[madbear]

All what is in bible are only text (I don,t see Jesus nothing). My god is me.

Fair enough. Tell me where you live, and I'll pop round with the gold, frankincense and myrrh when I'm in the area

Best wishes
MadBear

 

[mark53]

Ironically, I thought it had happened this morning. Our house was shaken by huge explosions at 6am. Turns out it was just (!) an oil refinery exploding

Best wishes
MadBear

Heard about it, Down Under! Any damage to your place?

 

[mark53]

What is "right" and what is "wrong"?

Is it the same always?

What was right for that time is not right for other times.

Anyway I believe that the bible and other religious writings are (mostly) man's understandings of the Spiritual and how HE relates to that understanding.

So, is the bible right or wrong? Yes! and No!

 

[madbear]

Heard about it, Down Under! Any damage to your place?

No, amazingly. Most of the houses in my area are nearly two hundred years old, and built to last indefinitely. The blast was strong enough to blow all the doors shut _inside_ the house, so I can only speculate on what the blast pressure outside was like. I think the modern buildings came off worse but, as it happens, they are mostly closer to the centre of the explosion, so that doesn't prove much.

My little boy was badly shaken (physically and emotionally) by the event; he didn't sleep much last night because he was `scared of the bangs'. Seems OK now, though.

There's currently an evil-looking black cloud over the town, and nobody is going out much. The air quality is pretty crap, and all the schools are closed.

It's amazing, really, that so few people were hurt. There aren't many houses that close to the oil depot, but the M1 motorway passes within a hundred metres or so. I think if the explosion had happened on a Monday morning, rather than a Sunday, things could have been very different

Best wishes
MadBear

 

[mark53]

I think if the explosion had happened on a Monday morning, rather than a Sunday, things could have been very different

Best wishes
MadBear

Thanks for the info. Were they all at Church!?

 

[madbear]

Thanks for the info. Were they all at Church!?

Well, we can go to church any day; but it's not every day you can get to watch an oil refinery burn

The most amazing thing (in a non-very-nice way) about this business is that work on putting out the fire was held up yesterday because there was a 3-million gallon tank which no-one knew the contents of. Imagine that -- having 3 million gallons of something and not know what it is

Best wishes
MadBear

 

[ILoveYeshua]

Mat 27:27-31 Then the soldiers of the governor took Yeshua into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. (28) And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. (29) And when they had plaited a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews! (30) And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head. (31) And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

Joh 19:15-18 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate said unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. (16) Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Yeshua, and led him away. (17) And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Yeshua in the midst.

Why do you continue to mock God and his Son in thought, word, and deed? Repent and believe the gospel, so you can live. Without the gospel, you have no life in yourself. You need Yeshua. He tells you "Come." Go to him. Pray now.

 

[ILoveYeshua]

Rom 1:22-32 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (23) And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: (25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. (28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do unseemly things; (29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, (30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, (31) Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: (32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


Repent, don't be like the ones described here.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Mat 27:27-31 Then the soldiers of the governor took Yeshua into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers. (28) And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe. (29) And when they had plaited a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews! (30) And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head. (31) And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

Joh 19:15-18 But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate said unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. (16) Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Yeshua, and led him away. (17) And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: (18) Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Yeshua in the midst.

Why do you continue to mock God and his Son in thought, word, and deed? Repent and believe the gospel, so you can live. Without the gospel, you have no life in yourself. You need Yeshua. He tells you "Come." Go to him. Pray now.

"Without the gospel, you have no life in yourself."

ILoveYeshua,

Hi there.

Correction~~

Without ~THE SON WHOM THE FATHER SENT,~ we have no life in us. The Law of God is written on our hearts and it can testify whether God's Son is there as well (in our hearts) or not, The Father being the 2nd witness of this fact. And even The Holy Spirit---3rd Witness. If this Witness is true, then God's Holy Spirit will led you/me to putting to death the deeds of the flesh nature of Satan. To be a Blessing To God and for Others, more naturally it will come to be. It is the Dying of the Lord Jesus that is to be in our lives that His Resurrection can come forth---our new nature.

The Written Word (The Law of God) can not give Eternal Life, it TESTIFIES (points to God's Son whom He sent--The Messiah) to WHO DOES GIVE LIFE.

So,...WITHOUT GOD'S SON--JESUS THE MESSIAH, you have no life in yourself.


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1 John 5:5-12
5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

7 For there are three that testify:

8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son.

10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.

11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

John 3:36
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
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Endurance With The Son friend, and you shall find even more peace with one another---those who are inheriting Salvation, in God's Gracious pace.

Take Care,
Connie

 

[Jesus Is Real]

We must be patient toward THE LORD........because
"Enduring with The Lord" is all about God's Salvation
for others and also ourselves.

And The Lord is Testing our Hearts through it all too!


In The Fear of The Lord,
Connie

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Luke 17:10
10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE LORD IS ACCOMPLISHING, not what WE ARE doing or have done.

 

[mark53]

The point of the last 4 is ....???

And to whom are you responding to?

The last few posts were referring to the oil refinery fire! Is that what you are referring to!!

Just pointing out a whole lot of bible passages and not saying what they are there for and to whom is a bit pointless. Are we (am I!) supposed to read your mind! I can't even read my own!

 

[acius]

Ilove Yeshua

Which biblical translation are you quoting there?

I would also point out that quoting the bible to convice people of your point on a thread where people are saying they think the bible has no weight might be

1. The worlds biggest catch 22
and
2. a waste of your time

 

[chizase]

I am brand new to this, and while I find all the above points to be fascinating, I cannot help but feel inadequate in my response seeing as how this is my first post of any kind.

I do feel that the Bible cannot be picked through like a dinner buffet, but that is must be taken as all truth, or ripped in half and thrown into the garbage. Obviously every reader in here has a faith in God whether it be conservative or liberal, and surely God being the creator of the Universe did not mess up when he had his book put together. Everyone in here has an objective mind to see things from many different views. That is what makes discussion so great. But since quoting scripture is such a usefull tool to gain understanding about Christian beliefs, then take a look at 2 Timothy 3:16 - "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" (NKJV).
Take it all, or take none of it. If the Bible was written in the context of ancient times, and can only be applied in that context, then we have no use for it. I have a great book that deals with the context of these ancient cultures (hebrews, babylonians, etc.). The mystery of finding out the meanings of some of the perplexing verses is the figure out the context. That is part of the fun of it.

 

[artybloke]

a) II Tim 3:16 can be translated as "all inspired scripture is useful for..." etc...

b) nowhere does the Bible actually define what scripture is. It's likely to be the Septuagint, but might well include other writings too. It doesn't say.

c) Note what it says: it says that scripture is useful or profitable. Not infallible, inerrant, or even necessary. Merely "useful." It doesn't make any exculsive claims about "only scripture." It doesn't say that it's useful for telling us about history or science or human psychology or how to mend a Ford Transit van or any of the other myriad things for which it is no help whatsoever.

No argument with its usefulness. Of course it's useful. I mean, it tells us all there is to know about the teachings and life of Christ, which for Christians is pretty important.

 

[acius]

That's a bummer, i have a broken down ford transit van. lol

I can't help but disagree with the logic that the bible must be taken as all or nothing. I don't know anyone who takes everything the bible says literally, and even agrees with everything the bible says. There are many things in the bible which relate to old societies and not to our own, but that doesn't mean we should tear the bible in half and throw it away. I for one will never sell my children into slavery, or kill anyone for working on the sabbath.

*note* i am bised as i sometimes work on the sabbath and am very very opposed to my own death

 

[Jesus Is Real]

That's a bummer, i have a broken down ford transit van. lol

I can't help but disagree with the logic that the bible must be taken as all or nothing. I don't know anyone who takes everything the bible says literally, and even agrees with everything the bible says. There are many things in the bible which relate to old societies and not to our own, but that doesn't mean we should tear the bible in half and throw it away. I for one will never sell my children into slavery, or kill anyone for working on the sabbath.

*note* i am bised as i sometimes work on the sabbath and am very very opposed to my own death

acius,

Prov 16:17 The highway of the upright is to depart from evil;
He who watches his way preserves his life.
Matt 24:13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.


Love Your Neighbor to Fulfill the Law

God's law to love your neighbor stood then as it does now: "You shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and about as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the Lord. Ye shall keep My statutes" (Lev. 19:15-19).

But the Church has not kept God's law just as Israel did not keep God's law. Instead, like Israel, everyone has been doing what seems right to him. "Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes. For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance which the Lord your God giveth you. But when ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the Lord your God giveth you to inherit, and when he giveth you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety... (Deut. 12:8-10).

 

[ccastellow]

We must also remember that Jesus said Love God and Love thy neighbor. When we do these things, slavery is not a reality and our love for homosexuals as human beings would be evident. However, we as a whole society do not love our neighbor so you will have these ill feelings until the end of days.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

ccastellow,

I like this:

Gal 5:13-18
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulful the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under (the curse of) the law.

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1. But if ye bite and devour one another, = CURSE OF THE LAW
2. the lust of the flesh. = THE CURSE OF THE LAW

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit-----------1. you will not bite and devour one
another, nor live in 2. the lust of the flesh.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

We must also remember that Jesus said Love God and Love thy neighbor. When we do these things, slavery is not a reality and our love for homosexuals as human beings would be evident. However, we as a whole society do not love our neighbor so you will have these ill feelings until the end of days.

ccastellow,

There is The ~HOW~ to do this.....that counts.
How do we please God in Loving our neighbor as ourselves?
If we don't ~get what God says~ then we are still under
the works of the flesh to love our neighbor as ourselves,
which won't be LOVING GOD--pleasing Him--to begin with.
But what does Jesus take us to TO BEGIN WITH?
~~OUR NEIGHBOR~~

Who is your neighbor?

So, if our cup is still dirty on the inside, is the Cup clean? Nope. Then we are still in the works of the flesh, saying I'm loving one another but we really aren't at best. And we are back IN WORKS, AND FOOLISH GALATIANS ALL OVER AGAIN, just like those who were before us.

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SO,..GOD'S GOT TO DO IT THROUGH US-----HIS WAY.
SO, HOW DOES THIS GO?

IN MUCH WITH PATIENCE ON GOD'S PART TOWARDS US: GOD IS LOVE.
AND LOVE IS PATIENT.
PATIENT IS ENDURANCE WITH HIM AS WELL AS HE WORKS THIS OUT THROUGH US LEADING US ON, if we but believe when HE COMES.

1 John 4:20
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Rom 8:13
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


Ephesians 4:30
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 5:18
18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

1 Peter 1:22
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

 

[Jesus Is Real]

ccastellow wrote:
"When we do these things, slavery is not a reality and our love for homosexuals as human beings would be evident."
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ccastellow,

When we do love our neighbor as ourselves, through The Holy Spirit whom Jesus sent, this very God's Kind of Love delivers them from sin. If your willing to die for them, as Jesus died for the ungodly.

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1 Peter 1:23-25
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
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And many are set free, because GOD GOT A HOLD OF US FIRST TO LOVE OUR NEIGHBORING HOMOSEXUALS. YOU HAVE TO DIE FIRST TO THE SIN IN YOU, TO EVEN BEGIN TO LOVE THEM ~AS GOD~ WOULD HAVE US TO LOVE THEM, THEN ~THEY~ GET SET FREE. But if it's just works in our flesh that we are showing, they know it's ONLY fony-love. But when they see YOUR DEATH OF YOUR OWN FLESH, THEY WILL LIVE---BECAUSE THEY SEE THE MESSIAH-CHRIST IN YOU/IN ME.