Originally posted by parousia70
Perhaps you could point me to the scripture that says in order for sin to be in the world, Satan has to be "working it" or "behind it" somehow.
Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
1st John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.
Originally posted by solo66 man
Psalm 90
3 You turn men back to dust,
saying, "Return to dust, O sons of men."
4 For a thousand years in your sight
are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3
7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
I suggest you rethink your position as is evidenced in Genisis. God told Adam that if they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would surely die. By your logic, as soon as they ate from the tree, they would have faced a certain physical death.
But is clear it was a spiritual death. It is this way throughout the bible. This tells me that the spiritual interpretation you consider false is true or not false.
James 1:14-15 says, "But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death."
Show me in Revelation 20 where it says Jesus physically reigned on earth. Also, where are the thrones located? This should give you an idea from where the beheaded saints reign from. And if they reign with Christ, then Christ must also with them in this location.
As for the 1000 years, can you prove to me using the book of Revelation that I should take this number literally?
Is the dragon literal?
Is there an actual key to the Abyss?
Do you take everything in Revelation literally?
Before I answer that question, can you prove to me that the Antichrist (using that very term) is a single person?
What type of literature is Revelation?
Sounds like you want an infallible interpreter. Check your local listings for the nearest Catholic Church or Kingdom Hall.
But I ask you this: what makes your view superior to mine?
prove to me that Jesus meant some other generation than the one he was speaking to.
Originally posted by Mike Beidler
Satan certainly fathered sin, but it does not make him the direct cause of sin in our lives. As human beings with a fallen nature, we need no prompting from the Devil. The seed is not the same as the father.
Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um
Even Jesus was tempted of the devil
And this verse is a clear warning to all Christians: 1st Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour
If you believe the devil is not around, perhaps he has already ensnared you, and devoured you with his lies.
Originally posted by Mike Beidler
Indeed, this was a very dire warning ... but to whom?
According to consistent preterism, this warning no longer applies to Christians of today.
Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um
I used to have a tom cat named Rascal. He would hide in the shrubs and observe the birds, squirrels, rabbits etc. Rascal was waiting for the perfect moment to pounce on whichever creature was not paying attention to their surroundings. So which creature did Rascal always get? The one that thought Rascal was not there.
Originally posted by coastie
In reference to your assertions... Chew on this for a little while:Mat 13:37-40
I will allow others to get what they want out of this, but it sure appears to me that those people would be the one's (just like you and I) who did not accept the mark of the beast.
The one's be-headed would be whom, by your interpretation? I see no where that it says that they are saints.
What do you think the mark of the beast is/was?
20:1 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shal go out to deceive the four quarters of the Earth, Gog and Magog to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
How do you explain this away?
1 john 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, where of ye have heard that it (hey look, that's a singular word); and even now it is in the world.
What is that supposed to mean about the "Catholic Church, or Kingdom Hall"?
Why do you use the term Superior? Is that a little sarcastic jab?
No I do not believe that the church's (not mine) beliefs are superior... just correct.
I'd say that the fact that he didn't return is proof enough wouldn't you?
Originally posted by davo
Genesis 4:7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."
Originally posted by solo66 man
...God told Adam that if they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would surely die. By your logic, as soon as they ate from the tree, they would have faced a certain physical death.
But is clear it was a spiritual death. It is this way throughout the bible. This tells me that the spiritual interpretation you consider false is true or not false.
Originally posted by Mandy
Magog is Russia.
It seems according to Scripture, in 2 Timothy to be exact, there were preterists. 2Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
If you answer NO -but qualify your "no," then you are giving us your interpretation. Now interpretations are ok so long as you don't ignore context or established theological theme. We all know that "in believing" we see Jesus -a spiritual reality [not just post death], but rejecting dealing with scriptures, just because in your eyes "litrality" is not adhered to only shows your own misunderstanding and bias
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