The beasts of revelation 13

Ki Won said:

But their NAMES aren't blasphemous, their claiming to be God is for sure but it's the NAMES that are blasphemous..

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Ki Won said:

He's good but he's too hung up on Mahdi being the Anti-Christ, as my post demonstrates Mahdi is AN antiChrist along with the other six "messiahs" , he's no THE Anti-Christ. What Shoebat describes ala the nations that come against Jerusalem led by Mahdi is probably right on the money though.

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Ki Won said:

"And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads with ten crowns on his horns and on each head a blasphemous name." Rev 13v1

Why is it, after nearly 2000yrs of the book of Revelation, that nobody has yet worked this passage out? Personally I think that they have figured it out and are deliberately suppressing the meaning because of the potential ramifications should it become common knowledge.

Why do I say that? Because I think that I know what it means, all seven heads, ten horns, ten crowns and the names of blasphemy. And it's not a reconstituted Roman Empire or some other such baloney either, I have no idea how people can believe such tripe.

The key to this passage is the blasphemous names on the seven heads of the beast, figure out what they are and you crack the whole book of Revelation (hyperbole but you'll see). What follows is a genuine and serious attempt at interpreting Revelation ch 13 and more, I warn you that it is long, but necessarily so (and this is the short version!)

When you read the Old Testament what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was it that caused God to bring judgement on Israel first but then also on Judah? IDOLATRY! The worship of false gods and religions. The blasphemous names therefore are the names of false gods or false religions but which religions?

Well as the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the ANTI Christ, presumably the false religions would also have to have a "messiah" of some description. Do you know how many religions besides Christianity have a messianic figure of some sort? Seven! And only seven. Seven blasphemous names, seven religions..

Three of those religions are split into two major branches whereas the remaining four have no major rifts or divisions. The ten horns then are the ten branches of those seven religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches..

The seven heads are the respective "messiahs" ..

Read that again and understand what it means.

That's right, there isn't going to be just one antiChrist, there are going to be SEVEN! One for me and one for you depending on where in the world you live and on which side of the aisle you fall. They are the "many antiChrists" of 1 John while the beast is THE Anti-Christ, and each one thoroughly hates Christians..

The seven religions (and 10 branches) are Judaism (Orthodox and Zionism), Islam (Sunni and Shia), Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana), Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism and Ba'bism/Bahá'i.

The "messiahs" are Mashiach, Mahdi, Maitreya, Kalki, Saoshyant, Li Hong and "he whom God will make manifest".

When the Bible says "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast" it's because they already do, and they don't even know that they do..

Using the same formula of heads being religions and horns being branches of them we can decipher who the second beast and his horns represent and also with the harlot too.

In Rev 13v11 we're told that the second beast has "two horns like a lamb" and as Jesus is the Lamb then the beast out of the earth must represent a false Christianity.

The second beast also mimics Elijah by calling fire down from heaven so presumably that means he's coming as a false Elijah to the first beast's false Christ which will also be why he's called the false prophet.

There are only two branches of "Christianity" that are expecting Elijah in the end-times, the LDS and the JW's. Two branches, two horns..

The harlot represents not only Catholicism and through her daughters most organized Christianity but she also represents all religions that have a female godhead.

You should notice that virtually every religion in the world is covered and that those religions cover practically the whole world.

Going back to the heads of the 1st beast, the head that suffers a fatal wound yet lives is almost certainly the Jewish Mashiach in order to truly counterfeit Christ's redemptive works. I suspect that the "resurrection" will be with the aid of technology such as Elon Musk's Neuralink or similar.

The Jewish messiah is also the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6. I have never felt comfortable with the mainstream teaching that the rider on the white horse is antiChrist primarily because he's portrayed as a Prince of the Covenant (white horse, crown), as the Jewish Mashiach the imagery is perfect.

The rider on the red horse is the Islamic Mahdi. If you read the description you could say that he is described almost as a terrorist again fitting the imagery perfectly.

The rider on the black horse is the Taoist messiah Li Hong. I say this because China owns the majority of the world's debt, in the tribulation they're going to call them in - they're going to be the world's quartermaster..

The rider on the pale green horse is probably the Hindu messiah Kalki but I confess that is only because India possesses nuclear weapons and the colour of the horse is reminiscent of radiation poisoning. Hades following is probably also one of the other messiahs but stick a pin in to decide which one.

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So who are the beasts and the harlot? Can we know? I believe that we can, yes.

In 2 Timothy 3v8 Paul mentions Jannes and Jambres but that is the only mention of them in the whole Bible. Who are they and what have they done to warrant their actual names being in the Bible?

When you look into them you discover that they were the Egyptian sorcerers who went up against Moses in Pharoah's court when Moses turned his staff into a snake and it ate the staffs of the sorcerers after they did the same thing. If you read the account of the plagues in Exodus you can see that God humiliated the Egyptian magicians and the Egyptians in general.

Jannes and Jambres left Egypt with the Israelites but Jannes drowned in the Red Sea when God closed it over the Egyptians. His brother Jambres stayed with the Israelites and was even believed to have converted to Judaism. He was supposedly one of the instigators of the golden calf incident and was one of the followers of Korah who were swallowed up by the earth.

Jannes drowned in the sea - beast out of the sea
Jambres swallowed by the earth - beast out of the earth

Aggadic writings tell us that the Egyptian sorcerers, during the end of days, possessed the necessary occult knowledge to embark on a journey to the Jewish world to come. I'll repeat that, the Egyptian sorcerers possessed the necessary occult knowledge to embark on a journey to the Jewish world to come, which is now..

So two powerful Egyptian sorcerers who have a serious beef with God over the way he humiliated them in Pharoah's court and over the way in which they died possess the occult knowledge to appear in the world today.. Ookaay..

Is anybody expecting a couple of 3500yr old Egyptian sorcerers any time soon? Well they're coming anyway and I don't think that they're coming as tourists..

But why does God call them beasts and abominations? Because to God they ARE beasts and abominations, Jannes especially..

Jannes is actually the Roman god Janus and while he's normally portrayed as having two heads or two faces he actually has many heads.. Seven heads to be exact. This study by the Black Sheep Researcher tells you an awful lot about Janus/Jannes.


You'll discover that Janus is Bel, and Janus is Ba'al and even more. It leaves little doubt that Janus is the seven headed beast out of the sea. Jambres is his brother.. The harlot is their mother (the mother of prostitutes and of the *the abominations of the earth*).

It's also possible that they are Titans, you know, big giants? Like REALLY BIG GIANTS! Have a watch of this video to follow my train of thought here..

https://www.bit chute.com/video/JwMXsJTyrA3E/ (remove space - added to beat the curse word filter)

Their mother, the harlot, is Jezebel who was the wife of Ahab. How can Jezebel be their mother? Well, like her sons, Jezebel was also a powerful occult sorcerer, I can only surmise that when God says she's their mom He is talking about the spirit that controlled her, that being the spirit of Asherah who is the mother of the Titans through another one of her alter egos, Gaia. They are the same person..

So in summary:

Anti-Christ = the beast out of the sea = Janus/Jannes (+ seven antiChrists)
False prophet = beast out of the earth = Jambres
The harlot = Jezebel

You can't tell me that when these guys show up people aren't going to "wonder after the beast" , a seven headed giant magician or that they won't be fooled by their "lying signs and wonders" considering how powerful their occult magic is.

"See, I have warned you ahead of time"

Rev 13v2 tells us that the beast "resembled a leopard but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion." What does that mean? Well I defer to David Bayliss's breakdown in his essay "animal symbolism".

Animal Symbolism

In short, the leopard is a stealthy hunter, secretive and hidden until he's ready to pounce. The bear usually attacks to protect itself or it's young, 3 times in Scripture when a bear is mentioned it is the female bear. Bears tend to attack from a position of blind fury. The Lion on the other hand is regal, it usually announces it's attack with a roar, etc.

Bayliss's conclusion is thus "The animal in question is inherently a watchful, secretive animal but it carries the lethal weaponry of the two more violent predators of scripture and is possibly motivated by blind fury and a regal determination that it will not be thwarted."

What we see is that the beast out of the sea is a dangerous animal especially for Christians. Now I could go verse by verse and literally expound on everything in ch 13 but instead I'm now going to jump to 13v18 and the number of the beast, six hundred, threescore and six.

600 in the Bible means warfare. 60 means pride and arrogance, 6 is the number of man, 11 means disorder and confusion and 66 is idol worship (i.e. the confusion of man (11x6) who makes an idol out of self).

The Meaning of Numbers in the Bible?

So 600, 60 and 6 means "a proud and arrogant man who brings disorder, confusion, idol worship and warfare".

As you can see, God has told us who the beast is, what motivates him, what sort of person he is and what he will bring when he appears. I can expand on all of the above if needs be but I'm going to leave it there for now, sorry for the long first post but as you can see the length was necessary.

Blessings

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Ki Won said:

hich is? What is the "something" ? It has to be knowable..

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Ki Won said:

It's blasphemous NAMES Doug, not blasphemous people.

Calling yourself God is blasphemous, yes, very much so, I agree. but the NAMES of the Roman emperors are not blasphemous. The emperors are blasphemous, their names are not, and it is the names we are looking for..

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Ki Won said:

Where does the dragon fit into your unholy trinity? If the beast isn't the AC? What about the harlot? Who is the son in the trinity? Questions, questions..



I already answered the Jewish messiah question, read up Chad, I'm not talking about Jesus and neither are the Jews. They hate Jesus, they won't accept Him as messiah until they see him coming on the clouds in great glory..

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Ki Won said:

Hi Arc F1, thanks for your reply, aren't all these things supposed to become known in the end-times? Someone had to be the one to understand it first, I don't believe that it was me that was first though. I think the true interpretation has been known for quite some time and has been deliberately supressed because of the implications towards other religions.. Tolerance wouldn't you know?

I do believe John is describing a literal seven-headed beast, honestly, I don't think that it is allegory. Janus actually HAS seven heads. God calls him a beast and an abomination, the same goes for his brother, it's pretty obvious God hates them.


Please re-read my OP with an open mind and a proper understanding of who God is at war with here on earth. Throughout the Old Testament it has been ba'al and asherah, Janus is ba'al and was an adversary in Egypt to boot, asherah manifests as Jezebel who was also an adversary in her own right. And all three of them died gruesome deaths (after God had humiliated and/or infuriated them). It is why the two witnesses will be Moses and Elijah, Moses has already kicked Jannes and Jambres butts once and Elijah and Jezebel never did come to a conclusion.

My interpretation changes so much about the book of Revelation, but it's all perfectly logical changes that make sense as long as you accept the interpretation is correct. Nobody else's interpretation does that, they interpret the horsemen, the beasts, mystery Babylon and the like all completely separately, they're all disjointed parts that don't fit together as a whole.

All people have to do is let go of the interpretations that they believe to be true, read what their Bibles tell them about the God they worship and who He is at war with and then apply that to my OP. Read the questions I posed to TribulationSigns, are there 7 religions etc.. If the facts fit so neatly and it fits the Biblical narrative, can it really be wrong?

Personally I don't think so, that's why I'm trying to share it with Christians, it changes practically everything we've ever been taught about the book of Revelation.

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Ki Won said:

That we will. And the end is coming faster than a speeding bullet, are you ready my friend?

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Ki Won said:

See Doug, you're talking about Revelation 17:10 while I am talking about Revelation 13:1, but even then you still have the wrong kings. The seven kings are the empire's that have ruled over Jerusalem since the Exodus:

1. Egyptian
2. Assyrian
3. Babylonian
4. Medo-Persian
5. Greek
6. Roman (1 is)
7. Ottoman (1 is yet to come)

In Revelation 13:1 the names are blasphemous, which is why I say that they are the names of false gods or religions. We're going around in circles here Doug and getting nowhere, I've heard all of the supposed interpretations and none of them fit what we know of God and the Bible.

As Chad's friend Walid Shoebat says, where in the Bible do you ever read of God bringing judgement upon Rome? Nowhere, because it's not there..

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Ki Won said:

So in summary:

Anti-Christ = the beast out of the sea = Janus/Jannes (+ seven antiChrists)
False prophet = beast out of the earth = Jambres
The harlot = Jezebel

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• Two horns like a lamb (Rev. 13:11).
• Spake as a dragon (Rev. 13:11).
• Exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him (Rev. 13:12).
• Causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed (Rev. 13:12).
• Doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men (Rev. 13:13).
• Deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed (Rev. 13:14–15).
• And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16).
• And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name (Rev. 13:17).
• The number of the beast is six hundred threescore and six, and it is the number of a man (Rev. 13:18).