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Featured The beasts of revelation 13

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Ki Won, Oct 31, 2020.

  1. Ki Won

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    "And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads with ten crowns on his horns and on each head a blasphemous name." Rev 13v1

    Why is it, after nearly 2000yrs of the book of Revelation, that nobody has yet worked this passage out? Personally I think that they have figured it out and are deliberately suppressing the meaning because of the potential ramifications should it become common knowledge.

    Why do I say that? Because I think that I know what it means, all seven heads, ten horns, ten crowns and the names of blasphemy. And it's not a reconstituted Roman Empire or some other such baloney either, I have no idea how people can believe such tripe.

    The key to this passage is the blasphemous names on the seven heads of the beast, figure out what they are and you crack the whole book of Revelation (hyperbole but you'll see). What follows is a genuine and serious attempt at interpreting Revelation ch 13 and more, I warn you that it is long, but necessarily so (and this is the short version!)

    When you read the Old Testament what is it that provokes God to anger the most? What was it that caused God to bring judgement on Israel first but then also on Judah? IDOLATRY! The worship of false gods and religions. The blasphemous names therefore are the names of false gods or false religions but which religions?

    Well as the only religion that leads to heaven is Christianity and the beast is the ANTI Christ, presumably the false religions would also have to have a "messiah" of some description. Do you know how many religions besides Christianity have a messianic figure of some sort? Seven! And only seven. Seven blasphemous names, seven religions..

    Three of those religions are split into two major branches whereas the remaining four have no major rifts or divisions. The ten horns then are the ten branches of those seven religions and the ten crowns are the authority each religion/branch possesses to give to their messiah currently held by the leader of each religion/branch. Ten horns, ten branches..

    The seven heads are the respective "messiahs" ..

    Read that again and understand what it means.

    That's right, there isn't going to be just one antiChrist, there are going to be SEVEN! One for me and one for you depending on where in the world you live and on which side of the aisle you fall. They are the "many antiChrists" of 1 John while the beast is THE Anti-Christ, and each one thoroughly hates Christians..

    The seven religions (and 10 branches) are Judaism (Orthodox and Zionism), Islam (Sunni and Shia), Buddhism (Theravada and Mahayana), Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism and Ba'bism/Bahá'i.

    The "messiahs" are Mashiach, Mahdi, Maitreya, Kalki, Saoshyant, Li Hong and "he whom God will make manifest".

    When the Bible says "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast" it's because they already do, and they don't even know that they do..

    Using the same formula of heads being religions and horns being branches of them we can decipher who the second beast and his horns represent and also with the harlot too.

    In Rev 13v11 we're told that the second beast has "two horns like a lamb" and as Jesus is the Lamb then the beast out of the earth must represent a false Christianity.

    The second beast also mimics Elijah by calling fire down from heaven so presumably that means he's coming as a false Elijah to the first beast's false Christ which will also be why he's called the false prophet.

    There are only two branches of "Christianity" that are expecting Elijah in the end-times, the LDS and the JW's. Two branches, two horns..

    The harlot represents not only Catholicism and through her daughters most organized Christianity but she also represents all religions that have a female godhead.

    You should notice that virtually every religion in the world is covered and that those religions cover practically the whole world.

    Going back to the heads of the 1st beast, the head that suffers a fatal wound yet lives is almost certainly the Jewish Mashiach in order to truly counterfeit Christ's redemptive works. I suspect that the "resurrection" will be with the aid of technology such as Elon Musk's Neuralink or similar.

    The Jewish messiah is also the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6. I have never felt comfortable with the mainstream teaching that the rider on the white horse is antiChrist primarily because he's portrayed as a Prince of the Covenant (white horse, crown), as the Jewish Mashiach the imagery is perfect.

    The rider on the red horse is the Islamic Mahdi. If you read the description you could say that he is described almost as a terrorist again fitting the imagery perfectly.

    The rider on the black horse is the Taoist messiah Li Hong. I say this because China owns the majority of the world's debt, in the tribulation they're going to call them in - they're going to be the world's quartermaster..

    The rider on the pale green horse is probably the Hindu messiah Kalki but I confess that is only because India possesses nuclear weapons and the colour of the horse is reminiscent of radiation poisoning. Hades following is probably also one of the other messiahs but stick a pin in to decide which one.

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    So who are the beasts and the harlot? Can we know? I believe that we can, yes.

    In 2 Timothy 3v8 Paul mentions Jannes and Jambres but that is the only mention of them in the whole Bible. Who are they and what have they done to warrant their actual names being in the Bible?

    When you look into them you discover that they were the Egyptian sorcerers who went up against Moses in Pharoah's court when Moses turned his staff into a snake and it ate the staffs of the sorcerers after they did the same thing. If you read the account of the plagues in Exodus you can see that God humiliated the Egyptian magicians and the Egyptians in general.

    Jannes and Jambres left Egypt with the Israelites but Jannes drowned in the Red Sea when God closed it over the Egyptians. His brother Jambres stayed with the Israelites and was even believed to have converted to Judaism. He was supposedly one of the instigators of the golden calf incident and was one of the followers of Korah who were swallowed up by the earth.

    Jannes drowned in the sea - beast out of the sea
    Jambres swallowed by the earth - beast out of the earth

    Aggadic writings tell us that the Egyptian sorcerers, during the end of days, possessed the necessary occult knowledge to embark on a journey to the Jewish world to come. I'll repeat that, the Egyptian sorcerers possessed the necessary occult knowledge to embark on a journey to the Jewish world to come, which is now..

    So two powerful Egyptian sorcerers who have a serious beef with God over the way he humiliated them in Pharoah's court and over the way in which they died possess the occult knowledge to appear in the world today.. Ookaay..

    Is anybody expecting a couple of 3500yr old Egyptian sorcerers any time soon? Well they're coming anyway and I don't think that they're coming as tourists..

    But why does God call them beasts and abominations? Because to God they ARE beasts and abominations, Jannes especially..

    Jannes is actually the Roman god Janus and while he's normally portrayed as having two heads or two faces he actually has many heads.. Seven heads to be exact. This study by the Black Sheep Researcher tells you an awful lot about Janus/Jannes.



    You'll discover that Janus is Bel, and Janus is Ba'al and even more. It leaves little doubt that Janus is the seven headed beast out of the sea. Jambres is his brother.. The harlot is their mother (the mother of prostitutes and of the *the abominations of the earth*).

    It's also possible that they are Titans, you know, big giants? Like REALLY BIG GIANTS! Have a watch of this video to follow my train of thought here..

    https://www.bit chute.com/video/JwMXsJTyrA3E/ (remove space - added to beat the curse word filter)

    Their mother, the harlot, is Jezebel who was the wife of Ahab. How can Jezebel be their mother? Well, like her sons, Jezebel was also a powerful occult sorcerer, I can only surmise that when God says she's their mom He is talking about the spirit that controlled her, that being the spirit of Asherah who is the mother of the Titans through another one of her alter egos, Gaia. They are the same person..

    So in summary:

    Anti-Christ = the beast out of the sea = Janus/Jannes (+ seven antiChrists)
    False prophet = beast out of the earth = Jambres
    The harlot = Jezebel

    You can't tell me that when these guys show up people aren't going to "wonder after the beast" , a seven headed giant magician or that they won't be fooled by their "lying signs and wonders" considering how powerful their occult magic is.

    "See, I have warned you ahead of time"

    Rev 13v2 tells us that the beast "resembled a leopard but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion." What does that mean? Well I defer to David Bayliss's breakdown in his essay "animal symbolism".

    Animal Symbolism

    In short, the leopard is a stealthy hunter, secretive and hidden until he's ready to pounce. The bear usually attacks to protect itself or it's young, 3 times in Scripture when a bear is mentioned it is the female bear. Bears tend to attack from a position of blind fury. The Lion on the other hand is regal, it usually announces it's attack with a roar, etc.

    Bayliss's conclusion is thus "The animal in question is inherently a watchful, secretive animal but it carries the lethal weaponry of the two more violent predators of scripture and is possibly motivated by blind fury and a regal determination that it will not be thwarted."

    What we see is that the beast out of the sea is a dangerous animal especially for Christians. Now I could go verse by verse and literally expound on everything in ch 13 but instead I'm now going to jump to 13v18 and the number of the beast, six hundred, threescore and six.

    600 in the Bible means warfare. 60 means pride and arrogance, 6 is the number of man, 11 means disorder and confusion and 66 is idol worship (i.e. the confusion of man (11x6) who makes an idol out of self).

    The Meaning of Numbers in the Bible?

    So 600, 60 and 6 means "a proud and arrogant man who brings disorder, confusion, idol worship and warfare".

    As you can see, God has told us who the beast is, what motivates him, what sort of person he is and what he will bring when he appears. I can expand on all of the above if needs be but I'm going to leave it there for now, sorry for the long first post but as you can see the length was necessary.

    Blessings
     
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  2. TribulationSigns

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    Wow, no Scripture references. No Biblical Exegesis. Full of private interpretations and opinions.

    Next!
     
  3. Ki Won

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    Well pardon me for trying to keep my first post as short as possible without clogging it up unnecessarily. Please also point out the "private interpretations and opinions" .

    There is zero opinion, merely available facts applied to Scripture. If you think it's just a coincidence that the facts so perfectly fit the Scriptures with no need for mental gymnastics to somehow squeeze the European Union into seven heads and ten horns for example then I think you're being wilfully blind.

    Sure, I am of the opinion that as the facts regarding the deaths of Jannes and Jambres, the knowledge that they allegedly possess, the humiliation that they suffered, that the Scriptures describe the beasts emerging from just the places where they died, that the Bible also tells us that the beast once was, is not, and now is again and also that they're "twice dead means that they are almost certainly the beasts of Revelation 13.

    There are a number of Scriptures that I believe can be read as referring to Janus/Jannes and/or his heads or referring to Janus/Jannes and Jambres together.

    God describes the seven heads for us in Proverbs 6 v 12 - 19

    " A scoundrel and a villain,
    Who goes about with a corrupt mouth,
    Who winks with his eye,
    Signals with his feet,
    And motions with his fingers,
    Who plots evil with deceit in his heart,
    Who always stirs up dissension.

    Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he will suddenly be destroyed without remedy.

    There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him;

    haughty eyes
    a lying tongue
    hands that shed innocent blood
    a heart that devises wicked schemes
    feet that are quick to rush to evil
    a false witness that pours out lies
    and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers "

    That's all seven antiChrists and their "qualities"‎...

    In Psalm 109 v 6- 15 they break down as thus:

    " appoint an evil man to oppose him; let an accuser stand at his right hand" - the evil man is Janus/Jannes, the accuser is Satan..

    "When he is tried" - he being Janus/Jannes - "let him be found guilty and may his prayers condemn him."

    The next 9 verses reference each head in turn:

    "May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership.
    May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.
    May his children be wandering beggars; may they be driven from their ruined homes.
    May a creditor seize all he has; may strangers plunder the fruits of his labour.
    May no-one extend kindness to him or take pity on his fatherless children.
    May his descendents be cut off, their names blotted out from the next generation.
    May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord; may the sin of his mother never be blotted out.

    Then verse 15 speaks to all of them together:

    " May their sins always remain before the Lord, that He may cut off the memory of them from the earth."

    Obviously there's Revelation 17 v 10 - 11:

    "They are also seven kings, five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is and eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction."

    So as the seven kings are the empires that controlled Jerusalem over the years, I'd always thought that the eighth king was the islamic mahdi:

    5 have fallen,

    Egypt
    Assyria
    Babylon
    Medo-Persia
    Greek

    1 is,

    Rome (at the time John was writing)

    The other has not yet come,

    Ottoman/Islamic

    But now I understand that the seven kings are the heads of Janus/Jannes and the eighth king is Janus/Jannes himself.

    See the Scriptures are there, it's not simply a theory of mine it is a serious and I believe correct interpretation of the passage, it is simply too neat to be accidental or coincidence.

    P.S. Thanks ever so much for the warm welcome to your community..
     
  4. TribulationSigns

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    No, you did not. Let me show you the error of your "claims":

    Really? Let's see...

    Ahhh. hyperbole. Go on...

    While you offer no Scripture support, God has already given us HIS definition for heads:

    Revelation 17:9 KJV
    [9] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

    Your interpreation that the seven heads are "respective Messiahs." Huh?! Obviously a bad exegesis because this is not what God said. You need to find His definition for "Mountain" in Scripture which is KINGDOM. Not Messiahs.

    And you went ahead and thought of wild claims like:

    Boy, you got everything wrong. God did not talk about 7 messiahs here as seven heads of Revelation 17. Not at all..

    Plus, you also made up about the second beast with two horns:

    So God's definition of the horn is either LDS or JW's? Have you really study the Bible and find out what horn signifies to God in Scripture?

    And you think the Babylon Harlot of Revelation 17/18 is a "female godhead." Based on Scripture?

    Now, you believe that the white horse of Revelation 6 is the "Jewish Messiah." Afterward, the red horse as "Islamic Mahdi", Black horse as "Taoist Messiah Li Hong, then Pale horse, you said is "probably" Hindu Messiah Kalki. Probably? Sounds like guesswork on your part without SCRIPTURE SUPPORT!

    Yes, your doctrine and interpretations are false and unbiblical. Sorry!

    Next time, try to quote Scripture on what you say!

    You are welcome here but you need to expect some corrections from us if we find that you did not quote Scripture to support your wild interpretations. And no, you do not know God's interpretations to "all seven heads, ten horns, ten crowns and the names of blasphemy." What you wrote are private interpretations. Sorry!
     
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  5. Douggg

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    It is seven kings in Revelation 17:10, not seven kingdoms.

    The beast is "of" the seven in Revelation 17:11, indicating the seven kings are related, as will be the beast, the eighth king.

    The relation factor is that they are all of the Julio Claudian family bloodline.

    Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

    11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
     
  6. Ki Won

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    Let me ask you a few questions TribulationSigns..

    1. Why are you so aggressive and confrontational? Is this not a discussion board not an argument board? As I said in my OP, I can expand on all of the above, should your first reply not have been one asking me to expand on the points you needed clarifying rather than just dismissing the entire thesis out of hand? That indicates to me one of a hard heart..

    2. What exactly is your understanding of a kingdom? It doesn't have to refer to a government or political entity, everybody has their own little fiefdoms..

    3. Are not all interpretations of scripture "private interpretations" ?

    4. Why don't you share what your interpretation of the passage is, don't forget to include your scripture references and why those scriptures are correct..

    It's funny, because the first reply to my first post was one of aggression and confrontation, hardly welcoming at all.
     
  7. Douggg

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    I almost forgot. Welcome to the forum Ki Won. Not everyone here is aggressive and confrontational. Nor has an aggressive, bullying, type avatar.
     
  8. Douggg

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    Ki Won, we have to look at the bigggggg global picture of the great opposer to Jesus.

    The LDS and JW's are not that big of a factor.
     
  9. Marilyn C

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    Hi Ki Won,

    Pleased to meet you and discuss this interesting topic. Now it seems the you, personally have not heard of the truth of this passage. I have actually written a series in my blog area here on `Christian Forums` about this. However I will just comment on some of it.

    Now God has judged all the former kingdoms revealed in Daniel`s Great Image and there is one to come. It is rising in our time and quite recognisable.


    THE BEAST.

    SEVEN HEADS -
    Seven consecutive Presidents of the G20. (Rev. 17: 9 & 10)

    TEN CROWNED HORNS - Ten kings of the Islamic Federation. (Dan. 7: 23, & Isa. 31: 4 - 8)

    MOUTH OF A LION - Speaking from the British and USA Federation. (Dan. 7: 4)

    BODY OF A LEOPARD - The EU`s philosophy of Free trade over the world. (Dan. 7: 6)

    FEET OF A BEAR - Trampling down all opposition, (as Russia had done.) (Dan. 7: 5)

    3leaders&UN.jpg
     
  10. TribulationSigns

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    I was reminding you to quote SCripture to back your position up which you did not. YOu felt offended because you did not like what you hear.

    The Biblical forums, especially the Eschatology forum, exist so that people can partake in serious bible-based discussions, study the scriptures, ask questions, or engage in the civil debate of Christian doctrines from the scriptures. These are not forums simply to express opinions, but rather to discuss or defend them with Biblical references.

    Awww. Were you expecting some roses throwing at you, or what? Yes, you will receive correction here.

    What verse were you referring to, exactly? You need to learn to quote Scripture with what you say or comparing Scripture with Scripture to find God's interpretations for his prophecies. Not your private interpretations.

    3. Are not all interpretations of scripture "private interpretations" ?

    Genesis 40:8 KJV
    [8] And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

    It is either God's interpretations that we need to find IN SCRIPTURE, by comparing Scripture with Scripture. Not wild assumptions that many people often make here. Else, you have private interpretations.

    Oh, I have. Use search to look up my posts.

    The Pharisees thought so too when first met with Jesus. :)
     
  11. TribulationSigns

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    Again, as I told you before, Marilyn, your interpretations are not biblically based. It is based on Newspaper Eschatology. God never interpreted the horns as Islamic in His Holy Word. God never interpreted the mouth of a lion as the United States in his Word. That is your assumption and private interpretation without Biblical reference whatsoever. This has been biblically refuted before.
     
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    LOL
     
  13. Marilyn C

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    Hi TS,

    It is NOT newspaper eschatology, as God`s word is quite clear that in the time of the Lord setting up His kingdom rule through Israel, (Dan. 7: 27) there are `beastly` kingdoms that arise one at a time and rule concurrently. If you do your research you will see that 3 kingdom/Federations have arisen in our time, (the time of the fig tree generation, Matt. 24: 32).

    And it does not take rocket science to see that God has used well recognisable emblems used by the Great powers of our time. Co-incidence? No, God in omniscient, (all knowing) Now what good would it do for the Holy Spirit to say to Daniel `Britain, America etc. those words were not even made yet.
     
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    I did..
     

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    Talking of Biblically based..

    Did God bring judgement on Israel because they were worshipping false gods or not?

    Did God eventually bring judgement on Judah for the same reason?

    Is Ba'al not mentioned in the Bible?

    What about Asherah (NIV) or Groves (KJV), are they mentioned in the Bible?

    Which begs the question, why did the Catholic inspired translators change groves to Asherah if Romanism isn't Asherah worship?

    Are not both Ba'al and Asherah the "enemies" of God? His adversaries?

    Were the Egyptian sorcerers and Jezebel not also adversaries of God?

    Do you think God would find the name of a false god or religion blasphemous?

    You talk of "Biblically based" yet reject out of hand my thesis that includes ALL of the above!

    ALL..

    If you didn't watch the 2 hour study on Janus you don't know who Janus is, and as I said in my post, Janus is Ba'al! And Ba'al features 114 times in the Bible.. I'd say that is a pretty significant amount considering Asherah or Groves only feature 40 times and Moloch a mere 8 times (Janus is also Moloch).

    Instead of trying to find a reason for my thesis to be wrong, try reading what is right about it first. At the end of the day, all I have done is apply the available facts to the Scriptures and it's a match..

    A PERFECT match!

    Are there 7 religions that have a messianic figure?

    Are those messianic figures all an obvious counterfeit Christ?

    Do those 7 religions have 10 distinct branches with their own figureheads?

    Try re-reading the scriptures I posted earlier in the thread, they are all supportive of the theory that the beast is Janus. They address the 7 heads or Janus AND his 7 heads AND then ALL of them together.

    "2 or 3 witnesses" - I gave you 3 scriptures, there are others but I already know that it doesn't matter what I post because you've already made up your mind. Noticing how you spoke to Marilyn it's obvious that you are so sure your own interpretation is correct that you're not prepared to entertain the idea that you might be wrong.

    Coming into a discussion with such a position means that you're only going to be interested in bullying others into your way of thinking and not in actually learning anything new. Have it your way, it doesn't make my interpretation wrong it makes you wrong, even if you're not.. Attitude matters and yours, frankly, stinks..

    Blessings
     
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    Hi Marilyn, actually I have been studying eschatology and the end-times for around 15 years. I have read dozens of books, papers, theses, sermons, blogs, probably tens of thousands of comments on social media or forums and watched countless hours of videos during my research alongside constant prayers asking for the wisdom to understand God's word.

    I doubt that there are any interpretations that I haven't seen, and believe me there are some really creative ones. Many of them borrow elements from each other whereas others are truly unique. One common theme was the omission of what the blasphemous names are on the heads of the beast, things like the names of the CFR and EU or whatever garbage ideas people have can hardly be called blasphemous..

    Please read the quoted conclusion of Revelation 13:2 by David Bayliss towards the end of my original post, I believe it to be quite accurate which is why I deferred to his conclusion and linked to his study for others to see it for themselves.

    Trying to squeeze your own interpretation into Scripture simply doesn't work if it requires mental gymnastics in order to make it fit. God doesn't make it complicated, just as the Gospel is simple, so should be the interpretation of Scripture.

    Blessings

    P.S. thanks for the welcome :)
     
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    There are 16.5 million mormons worldwide and there are 8.7 million JW's, that's not an insignificant number and you also have to consider the influence they have or could have. Once "Elijah" shows up with his fire from heaven trick and starts telling everyone that the beast is Jesus the LDS and the JW's are going to concur, 26 million people worldwide shouting that the beast is Christ will have a significant impact on unbelievers.

    You're also ignoring the fact that along with the other religions I mentioned the worldwide coverage and influence is almost total.. "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast"

    Blessings
     
  18. Douggg

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    The beast blasphemes God and them in heaven - is that something Jesus would do? The beast will not be claiming to be Jesus. Nor thought to be Jesus.

    Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
     
  19. Marilyn C

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    Hi Ki,

    And blessings to you too, thank you.

    That is good you have been studying eschatology, however you have not come across what I wrote and have not commented about it in regards to scripture.

    It is NOT my thoughts but what I was taught many years ago and what I have looked into and have seen what my teachers taught, coming to pass. Always a good indication of prophecy.

    For example: In the `70`s when I was taught that Islam would arise as the 4th great power of our time, it was still a weak group of countries in the Middle East with mainly Arabs in tents. So think about how quickly they have risen up all over the world. They are very wealthy nations now with a global reach.

    The `Assyrian` mentioned in Isaiah 31 is in the time when the Lord comes to deliver Jerusalem. (Isa. 31: 4 - 8) Assyria is the old area of Iraq, Syria & Jordan, so that is where the Global leader will come from.

    When you start a discussion you need to take note of what people are saying and discuss that with them from scripture.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  20. Ki Won

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    Define blasphemy Doug..

    Is the beast calling himself God not blasphemy? You can read the scenario, beast says "I'm God" , the false Elijah calls fire down from heaven to convince people that he is Elijah and then points at the beast and says "he's God", then sets up the image of the beast that has the power to "cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed" and most people will cave..

    Blasphemy doesn't have to be someone shouting obscenities about God, claiming to be God (and therefore saying that God and Jesus aren't) is most definitely blasphemous. And once he has convinced everyone that he is God it becomes open season on the Christians "yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service" .. (That's when the head chopping begins)

    Blessings
     
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