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Hi everyone,

I have a question. I know the number six hundred sixty six is only mentioned that once in Revelation...but I'm a bit confused. Does that make the number itself evil, and therefore, if it's encountered, should be approached with caution...or is it saying that evil beings are/will be marked with the number, as I always thought?

It's stupid, but I just made a purchase that came out to 6.66 and the guy behind the counter looked me in the eye and sincerely asked me if I wanted to buy anything else to avoid it. I declined, but now I wonder if I'm missing something lol

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Hi everyone,

I have a question. I know the number six hundred sixty six is only mentioned that once in Revelation...but I'm a bit confused. Does that make the number itself evil, and therefore, if it's encountered, should be approached with caution...or is it saying that evil beings are/will be marked with the number, as I always thought?

It's stupid, but I just made a purchase that came out to 6.66 and the guy behind the counter looked me in the eye and sincerely asked me if I wanted to buy anything else to avoid it. I declined, but now I wonder if I'm missing something lol

Thanks!



Be very careful here to UNDERSTAND and COMPLY:




Revelation<B>
Chapter 13</B>



15 It was then permitted to breathe life into the beast's image, so that the beast's image could speak and (could) have anyone who did not worship it put to death.



16 It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hands or their foreheads,



17 so that no one could buy or sell except one who had the stamped image of the beast's name or the number that stood for its name.



18 Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six.




RevelationChapter 22




18 I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,



19 and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book.



Now look at your question and ask yourself does this add or take away? I'm sure you really do know the answer.





This number does apply to a person.





It is common for folks to take note of that number and for good reason.






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I just made a purchase that came out to 6.66 and the guy behind the counter looked me in the eye and sincerely asked me if I wanted to buy anything else to avoid it.
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That was sweet.

A number is not inherently evil. A number didn't do anything wrong.

His number is six hundred and sixty-six.
I would imagine there were many people in history who had this number attached to them for some reason or another. Born June 6, 1966... the 666th person in succession... a bank account number... a hall locker... a house number.

The number would just be an alert, not an evil in itself.
 
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1 Kings 10:14-15 The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents, not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from all the Arabian kings and the governors of the land.

Quite possibly the reference in Revelation had this verse in mind. Much of Revelation is a symbolic attack on the Roman Empire. Thus, its wealth and power, illustrated by the money Solomon extracted from his subjects, would likewise come to an end, like all earthly kingdoms.

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Now I'm not a nut... yet but heres my theory... Credit cards and Debit cards are very much a norm today not many people use cash. With these cards most of us have our wallet in our right pocket and they each have a number identifying us individually. These cards can only be used in cartain places(even though almost everywhere takes them now) they can be cutoff with the click of a mouse essentially taking our money from us it makes me wonder sometimes.

18 Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six.

 
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I myself I am not afraid of any number. Jesus is perfect strength, I believe that Revelations is full of false threats and talking smack. I will not live in a jeweled city or
be a bound Servant of any god. nor will I partake of the tree of life offered to me in
Rev 22. or am I waiting for the Return of Christ. I will also not bow down or confess to
any lord regardless what his name is or will I open my heart to him. I will cling to Jesus
on the Cross and will hold on to dear life when he departs to My Father's Kingdom.
There I will dwell with him in The Old Heaven, I have no need for the New Heaven or
New Earth. Wisdom, Lets look at the number 777. First is Last, Last is First. 666 is 777
777 is 666. David's Root the First Born, Rejected King of Israel lasted 7 days. The First
Dead is Back and He wants his Kingdom. Feet of Bronze.
 
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is it saying that evil beings are/will be marked with the number
There's a tendency for our brains to categorize and lump things together to simplify -- mark bad, no mark good. But Revelations 19 says that people were deceived, which implies that many were naive and probably innocent.

Re 13:17 says that "no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

This part of the revelation given to John was a warning over a decision that will need to be made. It is cause and effect. Get the mark, for financial transactions. Don't get it, and prepare for denials and rejections...keep depending on God for creative solutions to come to mind.

When things go wrong, believers will be able to understand that injustices and pain are not their own fault; we take things very personally and our minds automatically lean toward suffering=God not loving us.

A prophecy tells us ahead of time that God does in fact love us, so when things happen in unexpected ways, we will have a better overview of what's going on, and not just blame ourselves or someone who has our best interest in mind.

People have heard prophecies over many centuries that have protected and comforted them when times were tough. People continue to hear from God, and find escape routes from disasters.

The deception is the evil denominator, not the number or the masses of people.

I don't know Greek, but it appears to me that "beast" is not necessarily a person. Organizations and systems can deceive too.
 
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Hi everyone,

I have a question. I know the number six hundred sixty six is only mentioned that once in Revelation...but I'm a bit confused. Does that make the number itself evil, and therefore, if it's encountered, should be approached with caution...or is it saying that evil beings are/will be marked with the number, as I always thought?

It's stupid, but I just made a purchase that came out to 6.66 and the guy behind the counter looked me in the eye and sincerely asked me if I wanted to buy anything else to avoid it. I declined, but now I wonder if I'm missing something lol

Thanks!

:wave: Hi

The number 666 is a mark for identification. That's all. It's for us to know when the beast arrives. It's at the sixth seal, sixth trump, sixth vial. Jesus comes at the 777.

No the number is not evil, itself. :) It's sort of like the verse that says it's not the money that's bad ... it's the love of it. In other words, the problem beigins with how much power we give it. That can happen with just about anything .. like the little lady who won't play bingo without her lucky whatever. Or voodoo or any of the other things that people think have some supernatural ability. God's Spirit, the Holy Spirit is the real true power. That's where we should put our faith. You can rest assured there is nothing evil about the number, itself. It's an inanimate object with no power on it's own. God bless (and that's a great question, btw! :))
 
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Hi everyone,

I have a question. I know the number six hundred sixty six is only mentioned that once in Revelation...but I'm a bit confused. Does that make the number itself evil, and therefore, if it's encountered, should be approached with caution...or is it saying that evil beings are/will be marked with the number, as I always thought?

It's stupid, but I just made a purchase that came out to 6.66 and the guy behind the counter looked me in the eye and sincerely asked me if I wanted to buy anything else to avoid it. I declined, but now I wonder if I'm missing something lol

Thanks!


Remember the enemy knows your purpose in life and really knows you better than you know yourself. Please don't allow the enemy to put fear in your heart everytime the number 6 pops up or have you avoiding the number 6. It really goes back to a mindset and your heart. The heart and mind will be read because what you think and who you are determines your work within the world. Your work will be looked at. I think the best thing to do is find out what God wants you to do and do it to the best of your ability. And learn the word so when the enemy puts false thoughts in your mind you can put the word back on him because he hates the word because it's truth and most importantly that you will know the truth. The enemy doesn't want you to know the truth... Stay Blessed!



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I really enjoyed reading this thread.

The thoughtful answers are what we all need as we use what others think as one more tool as we study God's word. And the Mark of the Beast deserves our utmost attention and concentration because of the fact that the Bible clearly stresses how MANY will be deceived.

This being deceived is worded so chillingly in 2nd Thessalonians 2 and we read it again in Revelation 13 but note especially how Christ so clearly stresses the need to watch out in Matthew 24.

Do not rely upon what others have taught alone for what the Mark of the Beast might mean.
 
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666 is the apex of human achievement; the text in Revelation 13 points out it is the number of a man.

(Apex: highest point, climax; also refers to a pointed piece of olive-wood, the base of which was surrounded with a lock of wool once worn by Roman priests.)

For a person to pursue the meaning of 666 is to ride a horse in search of a horse. To uncover who or what 666 is to embark on a journey of self-discovery & to see who you really are and all that you can be apart from God.

Do you still want to know who or what 666 is?

Calculate

Rev. 13:18 (Amplified Version) Here is [room for] discernment [a call for the wisdom of interpretation]. Let anyone who has intelligence (penetration and insight enough) calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number [the number of a certain man]; his number is 666.


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Geomatria is the practice of calculating the numerical totals of names in languages (eg: Hebrew, Latin, Greek) whose letters also represent numbers.

Modern "scholars" have used this practice to identify the Pope, the Roman Catholic Church, Adolf Hitler and European Union High Representative Javier Solana as antichrists (anti, as in, the place of Christ, a counterfeit).

The Pope is considered by Roman Catholics to be God's chosen representative on Earth. Hitler was a scary dude, but he's dead. 666 sticks to Javier Solana like glue. His name in Hebrew is calculated as 666; the WEU recommendation to create his office and consolidate his power is called Recommendation 666 (now Document 666 - see link in signature). Seat 666 in the European Parliament remains vacant (reserved?!?).

Javier Solana's name has been translated as "Bright Light" and "Owner of the new house; Wind from the East." His PhD dissertation (Physics) explored superfluidity; the effect of heat and light on objects frozen near 'absolute zero' temperatures. (by fear?!?)

The Mark

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Rev. 13:16 (Amplified Version) Also he (the Lamb-Dragon beast) compels all [alike], both small and great, both the rich and the poor, both free and slave, to be marked with an inscription [stamped] on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17So that no one will have power to buy or sell unless he bears the stamp (mark, inscription), [that is] the name of the (Lamb Dragon) beast or the number of his name.

Over the course of history, this charagma has been figuratively understood as the things we falsely think and/or believe & the evil things we do with our hands.

Looking at the definition in today's light, we observe the practice of branding (engraving, injecting) people with computer chips which enable people to buy or sell. Many government & private employees, & night club patrons have received chips that allow them private access to facilities and the ability to perform financial transactions.

Alzheimer patients and residents in retirement homes are chipped so that they can be retrieved in the event that they wander off. The Digital Angel, aka "the chip that cares," monitors a patient's vital signs and relays these to the internet (w's in Hebrew are 6's - www: 666, a beast?)

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Rev. 13:1 (Amplified Version) 1[As] I stood on the sandy beach, I saw a beast coming up out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads. On his horns he had ten royal crowns (diadems) and blasphemous titles (names) on his heads. 2And the beast that I saw resembled a leopard, but his feet were like those of a bear and his mouth was like that of a lion. And to him the dragon gave his [own] might and power and his [own] throne and great dominion.
3And one of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound. But his death stroke was healed; and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration.
4They fell down and paid homage to the dragon, because he had bestowed on the beast all his dominion and authority; they also praised and worshiped the beast, exclaiming, Who is a match for the beast, and, Who can make war against him?
5And the beast was given the power of speech, uttering boastful and blasphemous words, and he was given freedom to exert his authority and to exercise his will during forty-two months (three and a half years).
6And he opened his mouth to speak slanders against God, blaspheming His name and His abode, [even vilifying] those who live in heaven.
7He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people (the saints) and to overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation,
8And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in adoration and pay him homage, everyone whose name has not been recorded in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain [in sacrifice] from the foundation of the world.
9If anyone is able to hear, let him listen:
10Whoever leads into captivity will himself go into captivity; if anyone slays with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Herein is [the call for] the patience and the faith and fidelity of the saints (God's people).

The Lamb-Dragon Beast of Revelation 13 rose from the earth (the few) in the presence (timeline) of the Leopard-Bear-Lion Beast of the sea, the many (see Daniel 2,7). Syria & Turkey were once part of the Greek Empire (the Leopard). The Bear is Persia (Iran), while the Lion is Babylonia (Iraq). Collectively, this Beast ruled for 42 prophetic months (1260 years) with its Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount in the court of the Gentiles, suffering a mortal wound in the Battle of Tours (732 AD) which preserved Christianity in Europe. Israel recaptured Jerusalem and the Temple mount in 1967.

Rev. 13:11 (Amplified Version)Then I saw another beast rising up out of the land [itself]; he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke (roared) like a dragon.12He exerts all the power and right of control of the former beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell upon it to exalt and deify the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed, and to worship him. (Islamic Extremism)
13He
(the Lamb-Dragon Beast) performs great signs (startling miracles), even making fire fall from the sky to the earth in men's sight. (Space Shuttles, 9/11)
14And because of the signs (miracles) which he is allowed to perform in the presence of the [first] beast, he deceives those who inhabit the earth, commanding them to erect a statue (an image) in the likeness of the beast who was wounded by the [small] sword and still lived.
(Al Qaida)
15And he is permitted [also] to impart the breath of life into the beast's image, so that the statue of the beast could actually talk and cause to be put to death those who would not bow down and worship the image of the beast.
(Osama Bin Laden Al Qaida, Radical Islam)
16Also he
(the Lamb-Dragon beast) compels all [alike], both small and great, both the rich and the poor, both free and slave, to be marked with an inscription [stamped] on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17So that no one will have power to buy or sell unless he bears the stamp (mark, inscription), [that is] the name of the (Lamb Dragon) beast or the number of his name.
18Here is [room for] discernment [a call for the wisdom of interpretation]. Let anyone who has intelligence (penetration and insight enough) calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number [the number of a certain man]; his number is 666.


We are told in Rev. 19 it was the False Prophet who deceived those with the mark.

20And the beast was seized and overpowered, and with him the false prophet who in his presence had worked wonders and performed miracles by which he led astray those who had accepted or permitted to be placed upon them the stamp (mark) of the beast and those who paid homage and gave divine honors to his statue. Both of them were hurled alive into the fiery lake that burns and blazes with brimstone.

Change you can believe in?
 
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Hi everyone,

I have a question. I know the number six hundred sixty six is only mentioned that once in Revelation...but I'm a bit confused. Does that make the number itself evil, and therefore, if it's encountered, should be approached with caution...or is it saying that evil beings are/will be marked with the number, as I always thought?

It's stupid, but I just made a purchase that came out to 6.66 and the guy behind the counter looked me in the eye and sincerely asked me if I wanted to buy anything else to avoid it. I declined, but now I wonder if I'm missing something lol

Thanks!

That's superstitious nonsense. Don't pay it any heed.
 
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666 is the apex of human achievement; the text in Revelation 13 points out it is the number of a man.

(Apex: highest point, climax; also refers to a pointed piece of olive-wood, the base of which was surrounded with a lock of wool once worn by Roman priests.)

For a person to pursue the meaning of 666 is to ride a horse in search of a horse. To uncover who or what 666 is to embark on a journey of self-discovery & to see who you really are and all that you can be apart from God.

Do you still want to know who or what 666 is?

Calculate

Rev. 13:18 (Amplified Version) Here is [room for] discernment [a call for the wisdom of interpretation]. Let anyone who has intelligence (penetration and insight enough) calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number [the number of a certain man]; his number is 666.


29gbvcl.gif


Geomatria is the practice of calculating the numerical totals of names in languages (eg: Hebrew, Latin, Greek) whose letters also represent numbers.

Modern "scholars" have used this practice to identify the Pope, the Roman Catholic Church, Adolf Hitler and European Union High Representative Javier Solana as antichrists (anti, as in, the place of Christ, a counterfeit).

The Pope is considered by Roman Catholics to be God's chosen representative on Earth. Hitler was a scary dude, but he's dead. 666 sticks to Javier Solana like glue. His name in Hebrew is calculated as 666; the WEU recommendation to create his office and consolidate his power is called Recommendation 666 (now Document 666 - see link in signature). Seat 666 in the European Parliament remains vacant (reserved?!?).

Javier Solana's name has been translated as "Bright Light" and "Owner of the new house; Wind from the East." His PhD dissertation (Physics) explored superfluidity; the effect of heat and light on objects frozen near 'absolute zero' temperatures. (by fear?!?)

The Mark

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Rev. 13:16 (Amplified Version) Also he (the Lamb-Dragon beast) compels all [alike], both small and great, both the rich and the poor, both free and slave, to be marked with an inscription [stamped] on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17So that no one will have power to buy or sell unless he bears the stamp (mark, inscription), [that is] the name of the (Lamb Dragon) beast or the number of his name.

Over the course of history, this charagma has been figuratively understood as the things we falsely think and/or believe & the evil things we do with our hands.

Looking at the definition in today's light, we observe the practice of branding (engraving, injecting) people with computer chips which enable people to buy or sell. Many government & private employees, & night club patrons have received chips that allow them private access to facilities and the ability to perform financial transactions.

Alzheimer patients and residents in retirement homes are chipped so that they can be retrieved in the event that they wander off. The Digital Angel, aka "the chip that cares," monitors a patient's vital signs and relays these to the internet (w's in Hebrew are 6's - www: 666, a beast?)

Beast

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Rev. 13:1 (Amplified Version) 1[As] I stood on the sandy beach, I saw a beast coming up out of the sea with ten horns and seven heads. On his horns he had ten royal crowns (diadems) and blasphemous titles (names) on his heads. 2And the beast that I saw resembled a leopard, but his feet were like those of a bear and his mouth was like that of a lion. And to him the dragon gave his [own] might and power and his [own] throne and great dominion.
3And one of his heads seemed to have a deadly wound. But his death stroke was healed; and the whole earth went after the beast in amazement and admiration.
4They fell down and paid homage to the dragon, because he had bestowed on the beast all his dominion and authority; they also praised and worshiped the beast, exclaiming, Who is a match for the beast, and, Who can make war against him?
5And the beast was given the power of speech, uttering boastful and blasphemous words, and he was given freedom to exert his authority and to exercise his will during forty-two months (three and a half years).
6And he opened his mouth to speak slanders against God, blaspheming His name and His abode, [even vilifying] those who live in heaven.
7He was further permitted to wage war on God's holy people (the saints) and to overcome them. And power was given him to extend his authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation,
8And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in adoration and pay him homage, everyone whose name has not been recorded in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain [in sacrifice] from the foundation of the world.
9If anyone is able to hear, let him listen:
10Whoever leads into captivity will himself go into captivity; if anyone slays with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. Herein is [the call for] the patience and the faith and fidelity of the saints (God's people).

The Lamb-Dragon Beast of Revelation 13 rose from the earth (the few) in the presence (timeline) of the Leopard-Bear-Lion Beast of the sea, the many (see Daniel 2,7). Syria & Turkey were once part of the Greek Empire (the Leopard). The Bear is Persia (Iran), while the Lion is Babylonia (Iraq). Collectively, this Beast ruled for 42 prophetic months (1260 years) with its Dome of the Rock on the Temple Mount in the court of the Gentiles, suffering a mortal wound in the Battle of Tours (732 AD) which preserved Christianity in Europe. Israel recaptured Jerusalem and the Temple mount in 1967.

Rev. 13:11 (Amplified Version)Then I saw another beast rising up out of the land [itself]; he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke (roared) like a dragon.12He exerts all the power and right of control of the former beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell upon it to exalt and deify the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed, and to worship him. (Islamic Extremism)
13He
(the Lamb-Dragon Beast) performs great signs (startling miracles), even making fire fall from the sky to the earth in men's sight. (Space Shuttles, 9/11)
14And because of the signs (miracles) which he is allowed to perform in the presence of the [first] beast, he deceives those who inhabit the earth, commanding them to erect a statue (an image) in the likeness of the beast who was wounded by the [small] sword and still lived.
(Al Qaida)
15And he is permitted [also] to impart the breath of life into the beast's image, so that the statue of the beast could actually talk and cause to be put to death those who would not bow down and worship the image of the beast.
(Osama Bin Laden Al Qaida, Radical Islam)
16Also he
(the Lamb-Dragon beast) compels all [alike], both small and great, both the rich and the poor, both free and slave, to be marked with an inscription [stamped] on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17So that no one will have power to buy or sell unless he bears the stamp (mark, inscription), [that is] the name of the (Lamb Dragon) beast or the number of his name.
18Here is [room for] discernment [a call for the wisdom of interpretation]. Let anyone who has intelligence (penetration and insight enough) calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number [the number of a certain man]; his number is 666.


We are told in Rev. 19 it was the False Prophet who deceived those with the mark.

20And the beast was seized and overpowered, and with him the false prophet who in his presence had worked wonders and performed miracles by which he led astray those who had accepted or permitted to be placed upon them the stamp (mark) of the beast and those who paid homage and gave divine honors to his statue. Both of them were hurled alive into the fiery lake that burns and blazes with brimstone.

Change you can believe in?

Are you saying President Barack Obama is the False Prophet? That's ridiculous!
 
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666 is the apex of human achievement; the text in Revelation 13 points out it is the number of a man.

(Apex: highest point, climax; also refers to a pointed piece of olive-wood, the base of which was surrounded with a lock of wool once worn by Roman priests.)

For a person to pursue the meaning of 666 is to ride a horse in search of a horse. To uncover who or what 666 is to embark on a journey of self-discovery & to see who you really are and all that you can be apart from God.
What I liked about this post, was the recognition that the number could be conceptual. We have assumed it is the number itself, but there are no other scriptures that imply a literal interpretation must be true...numbers, rather than the meaning of the phrase, or a cultural saying of the time.
 
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Sellers at the local market (the agora) in Ephesus received a mark after they had made their offering to Caesar allowing them to legally participate. John was reminding the local Christians that Rome was not the centre of the universe. It was only an earthly kingdom (ie purely human) whereas God's kingdom was eternal.

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6 &#8211; represents the worship of man, and is the number of man, signifying his rebellion, imperfection, works, and disobedience. It is used 273 times in the Bible, including its derivatives (e.g, sixth) and another 91 times as &#8220;threescore&#8221; or &#8220;60.&#8221; Man was created on the sixth day (Genesis 1:26, 31). See also Exodus 31:15 and Daniel 3:1.
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