The atheist indoctrination project

[bunced]

Haha yeah, well US English does vary somewhat from UK English. For example, you spell colour without the "u". Technically, learnt is actually the original past participle (think also stuff like "built") which comes from English's Germanic roots (most German past participles end in t - gespielt, gelest, gehabt). But US English, which then has started to permeate English culture somewhat, is gradually regularising these, which is where you get learned from.

 

[IzzyPop]

Haha yeah, well US English does vary somewhat from UK English. For example, you spell colour without the "u". Technically, learnt is actually the original past participle (think also stuff like "built") which comes from English's Germanic roots (most German past participles end in t - gespielt, gelest, gehabt). But US English, which then has started to permeate English culture somewhat, is gradually regularising these, which is where you get learned from.

Go watch Eddie Izzard as he talks about the difference between American and British English. Howlingly funny.

*Back to the regularly scheduled thread...

 

[Vene]

Where were we, oh yeah, evil atheists.

We're so bad, we require that you back up claims. How am I supposed to brainwash people if they keep asking where I get my inane ideas? Can't they just accept it when I tell them that I'm the son of God and God at the same time?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Homeschooling better facilitates...

interacting with a wide variety of people

?

Interesting theory.

 

[Harpuia]

Homeschooling better facilitates...



?

Interesting theory.

I guess with other homeschooling kids maybe...

 

[WarEagle]

I guess with other homeschooling kids maybe...

The social makeup of the government school classroom isn't anything like real life.

 

[The Bellman]

I feel sorry for any child who was homeschooled when they have to actually enter the real world after graduation.

 

[WarEagle]

I feel sorry for any child who was homeschooled when they have to actually enter the real world after graduation.

Why? Our kids are in the real world now.

How many children today come out of school prepared to deal with the real world? I taught history at a local community college for many years and the kids from the government schools, the ones you say are so well prepared to take on the "real world" are a wreck. They can't read, they can't write. They don't have a clue about history. They don't show up half the time and when they do, they don't take it seriously.

Meanwhile, colleges and employers are fighting over homeschooled kids.

It's not the homeschooled kids who go to college and binge drink or get pregnant or run up astronomical credit card bills, it's the government school kids.

My kids are well adjusted, they've already gotten more "real world" experience than most people will have by the time they're a in college.

My fourteen year old daughter is an intern at a local assisted care facility and just wrote a grant proposal to the NEA for a folk music club we're starting.

My thirteen year old son just beat out dozens of high school students to earn a silver medal in a regional science competition. He would have won gold, except that the gold medal went to...another homeschooler!

Thirteen years old and he's already helping to run a successful business. He helps to do our books, deals with wholesalers and vendors, and other duties usually reserved for somebody almost twice his age.

Believe me, my kids are not going to have a problem when they grow up and make their way into the world.

 

[TeddyKGB]

The social makeup of the government school classroom isn't anything like real life.

What does this mean? Public schools segregate by subject, obviously, and by aptitude to a lesser extent. What does that contribute to alleged dissimilarity to "real life"?

 

[FadingWhispers3]

Home schooling is actually a very good idea for those people who have the time and resources to do so. This is the same reason why people are willing to pay tutors outside of class... personal attention pays dividends. Although I suppose a lot also depends on the teaching skills and knowledge of the parents which may vary. Either way, the fact that they are home schooling indicates at the very least interest a keen in their child's education and some financial means.

 

[Autumnleaf]

It only took around 3% of Russians to be for Communism to go from Czarist Russian to Stalininst Russia. A little poison goes a long way, eh?

 

[The Bellman]

Why? Our kids are in the real world now.

How many children today come out of school prepared to deal with the real world? I taught history at a local community college for many years and the kids from the government schools, the ones you say are so well prepared to take on the "real world" are a wreck. They can't read, they can't write. They don't have a clue about history. They don't show up half the time and when they do, they don't take it seriously.

Meanwhile, colleges and employers are fighting over homeschooled kids.

It's not the homeschooled kids who go to college and binge drink or get pregnant or run up astronomical credit card bills, it's the government school kids.

My kids are well adjusted, they've already gotten more "real world" experience than most people will have by the time they're a in college.

My fourteen year old daughter is an intern at a local assisted care facility and just wrote a grant proposal to the NEA for a folk music club we're starting.

My thirteen year old son just beat out dozens of high school students to earn a silver medal in a regional science competition. He would have won gold, except that the gold medal went to...another homeschooler!

Thirteen years old and he's already helping to run a successful business. He helps to do our books, deals with wholesalers and vendors, and other duties usually reserved for somebody almost twice his age.

Believe me, my kids are not going to have a problem when they grow up and make their way into the world.

Sorry, I don't believe you. School is the first place (and, for about fifteen years, the biggest place) where all of us (who aren't homeschooled) are forced to deal with, work with, strive with and against, people from different backgrounds, with different beliefs, different paradigms, etc. All homeschooled children suffer through that lack.

That there are shortcomings in our governmental schooling is not at issue; there are. But they can be repaired. The lack of socialisation is intrinsic to homeschooling, and can't be.

 

[The Bellman]

It only took around 3% of Russians to be for Communism to go from Czarist Russian to Stalininst Russia. A little poison goes a long way, eh?

I wonder how this is remotely relevant.

 

[Eudaimonist]

It only took around 3% of Russians to be for Communism to go from Czarist Russian to Stalininst Russia. A little poison goes a long way, eh?

Where are you getting that number from?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

I wonder how this is remotely relevant.

I think he's telling the ~3% of atheists in America to start a violent revolution and establish a dictatorship, because 3% is certainly not enough to make a government atheist through democratic means.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[ReverendDG]

The social makeup of the government school classroom isn't anything like real life.

oh really? how many black kids do you have in your class rooms, or latinos, heck anyone outside your kids?
how many different views of issues in life do you have in your "school"?
are they all the same one you have? then i'd say yours is not anywhere near real life

 

[ReverendDG]

Why? Our kids are in the real world now.

How many children today come out of school prepared to deal with the real world? I taught history at a local community college for many years and the kids from the government schools, the ones you say are so well prepared to take on the "real world" are a wreck. They can't read, they can't write. They don't have a clue about history. They don't show up half the time and when they do, they don't take it seriously.

thats a load of BS, it has nothing to do with school, it has to do with the way the kid learned/t how to do things.
you can't generalize based on a small amount of people like that

Meanwhile, colleges and employers are fighting over homeschooled kids.

that has to do with how they were taught, nothing to do with homeschooling, stop trying to claim homeschooling makes you magically better than being in public school, it doesn't

It's not the homeschooled kids who go to college and binge drink or get pregnant or run up astronomical credit card bills, it's the government school kids.

evidence?

My kids are well adjusted, they've already gotten more "real world" experience than most people will have by the time they're a in college

well bully for you.. thats not evidence of what you are claiming, just that you didn't mess-up homeschooling

My fourteen year old daughter is an intern at a local assisted care facility and just wrote a grant proposal to the NEA for a folk music club we're starting.

My thirteen year old son just beat out dozens of high school students to earn a silver medal in a regional science competition. He would have won gold, except that the gold medal went to...another homeschooler!

i'll say it again, homeschooling has nothing to do with it, its a matter of how kids are being taught that matters, if the school doesn't care the students will not care, its as simple as that.

Thirteen years old and he's already helping to run a successful business. He helps to do our books, deals with wholesalers and vendors, and other duties usually reserved for somebody almost twice his age.

well i'm glad for him, but i've known people who did the same things in public school, in fact, i've done the same thing myself.

Believe me, my kids are not going to have a problem when they grow up and make their way into the world.

well i'm glad for your kids, but they don't prove homeschooling is better.
the only thing homeschooling is better at is the fact that the teacher can care about the students instead of having to cater to 100+ a day.
i've had teachers who have cared that much in public schools before, but its a hard deal for them/

 

[SiderealExalt]

Every home schooled child I've known, most of whom have been Christian based, have all been wierdoes. I cannot however claim that this is indicative of home schooled children in general.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Every home schooled child I've known, most of whom have been Christian based, have all been wierdoes.

Can you make your observations a little more objective? What is weird about them?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[SiderealExalt]

Sure. Mostly it's been in the area of social skills. The ones I have known were extremely insular and uncommunicative, in some cases being so out of a negative perception of other people. Basically having an us(themselves and family) vs them sort of approach. How much this feeling was expressed was present in the people I knew but did vary in degree. Even for a person like myself who tends to be a quiet person it was noticeable.

I don't think it's necessarily indicative of home schooling(even in cases of home schooling done because of some religious motivation) or that home schooling is potentially worse than other forms of schooling. It was just as I noticed, what I saw in the people I knew.

I do think however, like really ANY sort of activity, there is a potential for negative results like that.