The atheist indoctrination project

[Bombila]

The EAC is woefully disorganised - I've yet to receive even one newsletter. Really, they should borrow a sample Agenda from the Homosexuals, 'cause those guys are all about Agendas, eh!

 

[FadingWhispers3]

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?...

"No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:35

So Christianity goes from being driven to save the lost to being driven by fear of the lost? What a sad shell of it's former glory if such is the case!

The bible even says that there will be scorn. If people called the leader a demon... by what hubris or ignorance can the disciples expect better? How weak is your faith, no scratch that, how weak is your God?

Christians were willing to die for their faith and here we are today Christians afraid to be subjected to doubt, to be deprived of dignity, to be spoken of with contempt with authorities? If that is the case, then I ask: what good is salt that has lost it's saltiness?

Anything worth believing can pass through the fire with flying colors. If it cannot, it is not worthy of your belief.

 

[Renton405]

Atheists only make up about 5% of the US population. If we've managed to stomp all over Christians (who make up about 85% of the population) despite their clear majority, well, then, I think we deserve to be in control. We're clearly the dominant animal.

wow. Quite an outlook you atheists have.. Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess

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I wonder what atheists would do if they had the chance?

Anything worth believing can pass through the fire with flying colors. If it cannot, it is not worthy of your belief.

Considered how long the Catholic Church has been here (over 2000 years), and how much persecution its been through with Pagan Rome I think it suffices. And no matter how many corrupt Popes come and go, politcal battles, and wars happen in the Church it still has never caved in or broken down(all the while with its doctrine remaining pure).. Did you think about that at all?

Christians were willing to die for their faith and here we are today Christians afraid to be subjected to doubt, to be deprived of dignity, to be spoken of with contempt with authorities? If that is the case, then I ask: what good is salt that has lost it's saltiness?

I take it you have not been following whats been happening to christians in North Korea and the Middle East. <staff edit>

 

[MrPirate]

Townhall
by Dinesh D'Souza

It seems atheists have developed a comprehensive strategy to win the minds of the next generation. The strategy can be described simply: let the religious people breed them, and we will educate them to despise their parents’ beliefs . . .

Of course, parents—especially Christian parents—might want to say something about all this. That’s why the atheist educators are now raising the question of whether parents should have control over what their children learn. Dawkins asks, “How much do we regard children as being the property of their parents? It’s one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society stepping in? . . . "

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/..._project&ns=DineshDSouza&dt=10/22/2007&page=2

So the evil plan for mind control of the masses…is to teach people to think for themselves?

 

[MrPirate]

Over the 12 years, I have learnt about Christianity. I have learnt about Islam and Sikhism and Buddhism and Judaism and other beliefs too. I have learnt about the Theory of Evolution, I have learnt about the Big Bang, I have learnt about Creationism (in an religious studies class, not in a science class, because it is not a science). I have learnt the arguments for abstention and the arguments for having protected sex. All through that, never did I have anyone getting me to despise the beliefs of my parents. But I was encouraged to think critically, to challenge my preconceptions - and those of others. To be willing to argue a case - not agressively, as I see many people doing, but based on logic, reason and a respect for whoever I am arguing against

It’s ‘learned’ not have learnt

 

[MrPirate]

Why didn't I get the newletter about the atheist agenda? I want to brainwash some kids too.

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Backlog at the printers….they are still trying to get the homosexual agenda out to people…so far only members of the Christian right have gotten a copy of that one

 

[bunced]

It&#8217;s &#8216;learned&#8217; not have learnt

Actually if we're going to be picky, both are acceptable in UK English grammar, and learnt is actually the more correct in this case because it is the past participle:

I have learnt to ride a bike (Past participle)
I learned to ride a bike four years ago (Bog standard past tense [simple past technically])

That is according to my Oxford grammar book. In practice, in English dialect there is little importance over either, and both are equally acceptable. Probably I sway toward this difference because I was brought up in the south of the UK, but were I born in somewhere like Lancashire for example, I would be using learnt for both. Using learned for both, on the other hand, is more a feature of American grammar

Either way, it's a bit stingy to quibble over my grammar in my post and ignore the point contained therein, don't you think?

 

[bunced]

wow. Quite an outlook you atheists have.. Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess

Actually In all reality. The christians could wipe you all out in a blink if they wanted to. Do they? no, they let you live in peace no matter how much heresy and immoral behavior you spread..

I wonder what atheists would do if they had the chance?



Considered how long the Catholic Church has been here (over 2000 years), and how much persecution its been through with Pagan Rome I think it suffices. And no matter how many corrupt Popes come and go, politcal battles, and wars happen in the Church it still has never caved in or broken down(all the while with its doctrine remaining pure).. Did you think about that at all?



I take it you have not been following whats been happening to christians in North Korea and the Middle East. Ah, the wonderful breath of ignorance!

I have a feeling that the first quote was tongue in cheek.

And I think the second quote was actually supporting the point you have just made, saying that because the Christian faith has stood for 2000 years, there is no problem with it being scrutinised within the context of a secular agenda, because it is robust enough to stand up to it. Considering this, I think maybe it was the last comment of your second paragraph was harsh to the poster (actually, I think it would be rude to say "did you even think about that", even if they disagreed with you - there are more generous ways of disagreeing with people than that)

And I think the third point was addressed to Christians in the US rather than a world-wide generalisation about Christianity, and I think that he has some point. We have lost are backbone and are afraid to be challenged even a little bit. We are struggling to cope with the change from Christendom to Secularism, and we do need to adapt and realise that, whilst we will no longer preferential treatment, it does not in any way reduce the significance of the message of the Christian faith.

 

[The Bellman]

Actually In all reality. The christians could wipe you all out in a blink if they wanted to. Do they? no, they let you live in peace no matter how much heresy and immoral behavior you spread.

I have no doubt that if it were up to you, you'd happily wipe us out. It's not you who is advocating tolerance - it's those filthy liberals.

 

[Eudaimonist]

wow. Quite an outlook you atheists have.. Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess

No, that was the rising of the regime lead by someone named Tongue N. Cheek. Please learn to distinguish this from serious statements.

Actually In all reality. The christians could wipe you all out in a blink if they wanted to. Do they? no, they let you live in peace no matter how much heresy and immoral behavior you spread..

I wonder what atheists would do if they had the chance?

If you mean the typical atheist in America, they'd assert that both Christians and atheists have equal rights under an impartial government.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Voegelin]

It’s one thing to say people should be free to believe whatever they like, but should they be free to impose their beliefs on their children? Is there something to be said for society stepping in? . . . "

Alice Withrow Field thought so. She wrote a book about it.

 

[Voegelin]

Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess . . I wonder what atheists would do if they had the chance?

We know what officially atheist regimes have done. See link above to Field's work. She wasn't the only one in awe of the creche system. The grandfather of American public education, John Dewey was also a fan.

whats been happening to christians in North Korea and the Middle East.

Don't forget what the officially atheist communist party of China has and is doing to Tibetan Buddhists. One million killed since 1959. Thousands of monasteries dynamited. The largest medieval library outside Europe destroyed. Christians are not the only target. In the 1920s the repression of Shamanists and Buddhists in Mongolia was horrific. Then we had the virtual elimination of the Buddhist priesthood under Pol Pot.

 

[quatona]

In view of all the lazy thinking here I am wondering whether not America has far greater problems in its educational system than the ones that are usually complained about here by those very lazy thinkers.

 

[Patashu]

We know what officially atheist regimes have done. See link above to Field's work. She wasn't the only one in awe of the creche system. The grandfather of American public education, John Dewey was also a fan.



Don't forget what the officially atheist communist party of China has and is doing to Tibetan Buddhists. One million killed since 1959. Thousands of monasteries dynamited. The largest medieval library outside Europe destroyed. Christians are not the only target. In the 1920s the repression of Shamanists and Buddhists in Mongolia was horrific. Then we had the virtual elimination of the Buddhist priesthood under Pol Pot.

Some Christians have killed. I'm sure you do not associate with those Christians.

Similarly, atheists who feel it is wrong to kill do not associate with those who do not. The actions of members who follow a certain belief system cannot invalidate the belief system unless said belief system explictly encourages the behaviour.

Or, stating it another way: Hitler and Stalin were both poets. Does this mean poetry is the driving force of modern mass murders?

 

[selfinflikted]

wow. Quite an outlook you atheists have.. Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess

Actually In all reality. The christians could wipe you all out in a blink if they wanted to. Do they? no, they let you live in peace no matter how much heresy and immoral behavior you spread..

I wonder what atheists would do if they had the chance?

Why is it always about fighting, death, and destruction with you? What's with all these "Well, atheists have killed more than christians!!11!" posts? What's the point of arguing those points? It's always wars with you... change the record man, this one's getting old.

Oh, and do christians really "let [us] live in peace"? Methinks not. Not by a long shot.

It&#8217;s &#8216;learned&#8217; not have learnt

"Learnt" is acceptable in Britain.. I actually had to look that up too

 

[Eudaimonist]

We know what officially atheist regimes have done.

What does any of that have to do with atheists in America, the vast majority of whom are not communists?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Lynden1000]

wow. Quite an outlook you atheists have.. Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess

Actually In all reality. The christians could wipe you all out in a blink if they wanted to. Do they? no, they let you live in peace no matter how much heresy and immoral behavior you spread..

Obviously they couldn't. After all, by your own admission, we atheists have managed, despite occupying a teensy weensy minority within America, to overtake Christians in the race up the social heirarchy.

If you have 100 Americans in a room, with all 100 jockeying for a position within the social structure, and the 5 people who are atheists manage to overtake the 85 people who are Christians and beat them to the pinnacle, then I'd have to say those 5 atheists clearly deserve to be in control, as they quite obviously have more of what it takes to get to the top.

I don't really see how you can argue with this, since you affirm that atheists, who are a distinct minority, continue to run the show in America.

 

[WarEagle]

We home school, so it isn't a problem.

Our decision to homeschool didn't have anything to do with any sort of "indoctrination". We just believed that, as a family, we could do better than government schools are doing.

So far, we're right. Not only are our kids miles above their govenment schooled contemporaries, they're also learning things that public schools don't teach, including Latin (my son is thirteen and he already speaks Latin better than I do), rhetoric, philosophy, economics and the Bible.

And then there are things such as good manners, interacting with a wide variety of people, modesty, etc.

One of the things I've never liked about government schools is that they teach facts, but don't teach how those facts apply to the real world. We try to incorporate everything in a real world way.

Another thing I've never liked is that government schools don't teach children how to behave in different social settings. We do.

Knowing what I know now, there's no way I'd send my kids to government schools.

 

[Skavau]

wow. Quite an outlook you atheists have.. Stalin's reigme might be comming back I guess

I am not surprised that you take the posting of a single atheist to generalise all Atheists.

Actually In all reality. The christians could wipe you all out in a blink if they wanted to. Do they? no, they let you live in peace no matter how much heresy and immoral behavior you spread..

What immoral behaviour and heresy do Atheists spread precisely?

I wonder what atheists would do if they had the chance?

Nothing. You must be paranoid.

Considered how long the Catholic Church has been here (over 2000 years), and how much persecution its been through with Pagan Rome I think it suffices. And no matter how many corrupt Popes come and go, politcal battles, and wars happen in the Church it still has never caved in or broken down(all the while with its doctrine remaining pure).. Did you think about that at all?

This is irrelevant. There are other beliefs that have stood longer than Catholicism.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Actually if we're going to be picky, both are acceptable in UK English grammar, and learnt is actually the more correct in this case because it is the past participle:

I have learnt to ride a bike (Past participle)
I learned to ride a bike four years ago (Bog standard past tense [simple past technically])

That is according to my Oxford grammar book. In practice, in English dialect there is little importance over either, and both are equally acceptable. Probably I sway toward this difference because I was brought up in the south of the UK, but were I born in somewhere like Lancashire for example, I would be using learnt for both. Using learned for both, on the other hand, is more a feature of American grammar

Either way, it's a bit stingy to quibble over my grammar in my post and ignore the point contained therein, don't you think?

Really? In the US they constantly berate children for using "learnt" instead of "learned".