newhopeinHim
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well I disagree with the things you were called and I'm sorry you were called names
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well I disagree with the things you were called and I'm sorry you were called namesYou'll be happy to hear then, that while I was lurking yesterday, we (atheists) were called "stupid," "foolish," and a "parasite."
AMEN???
BTW, since we're noticing things, I noticed you're new here, so "Welcome."
But your "AMEN!!!" responses to other posters insults, seem to suggest otherwise.well I disagree with the things you were called and I'm sorry you were called names
......Which logically stems from naturalism.
Nevertheless there is a clear epistemological problem that makes any atheistic view self defeating.
Thomas Nagel, for example, who is honest enough to address the problem even if the conclusion is beyond him.
I am sure you are right but the cranky view of even a majority does nothing to negate the evidence.
Forgive me but if Atheism denies any "divine beings" then this is what Atheism means.
If there are no "divine beings" then there is no room for any being that does not originate from within the physical universe
Being that Jesus is straight up called the Jewish Messiah in the Quran and deemed the co-prophet of Mohammad, Buddhism is dwarfed. There are even Buddhist-Christian syncretists, at that.
There's something about Christ that drives men.
You get no points for 'original argument'. Which gods didn't create the universe?
To answer your question:
The God that created the universe.
As I said ,you are denied access . You cannot enter on such a low level.What do gods have to do with science? If it is of no scientific significance, it is not science. That is axiomatic.
I agree ,there are some who really wish to learn ,but others ...........and their tens of thousands of posts ??This thread was started by a Christian and specifically targeted Atheism. There's nothing stopping Christians from making topics, having discussions, debating their points here.
Some, like myself, originally joined this forum as Christians.I agree ,there are some who really wish to learn ,but others ...........and their tens of thousands of posts ??
To be clear, you are saying that I am "denied access" to something that, by every objective measure to date, is indistinguishable from the imaginary? Amirite?As I said ,you are denied access . You cannot enter on such a low level.
You are right; the Dolphins don't need a whole lot of technology and war to tell them that the creator exists. BTW Deep thought got it wrong as well. An abstract does not stand in causal relationship to anything.I am reminded of a certain Douglas Adams quote...
What have the claims of religion got to do with anything? I am discussing whether the atheist is correct or not in denying the existence of Theos.You'll need to elaborate further. In what way has the growth of knowledge increased confidence in the supernatural claims of religion? In what way does any of this constitute evidence for a deity?
Not sure what you are getting at here. Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all theistic and thus all agree on the subject.Yes, and the Quran followed this by claiming that believers of the preceding faiths (Christianity and Judaism) were without excuse for denying the doctrines of Islam.
It may, but it may also stem from other metaphysical foundations.
It's not clear to me which problem you mean.
What about Nagel's views?
False. A reality in which there are no divine beings is not limited to an exclusively physical universe.
There are many possibilities, and thus many possibilities for atheistic worldviews.
Top kekAnguspure said:The problem is that if Atheism is true, all arguments for anything fail. That the consistent assertion of atheism undermines any form of reason. For an atheist to assert that anything can be known in truth he must make reference to appealing to realities that only theism can explain.
I'm wondering if an atheist met the creator he would still maintain that He is not divine, and that there are no divine beings.
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Atheism is not a truth claim.Then I guess the argument is over whether the metaphysical can be a person.
The problem is that if Atheism is true, all arguments for anything fail.
"I am not convinced of your religious claims" is not a reasoned position. It only states one's theological position on the the subject of deities.That the consistent assertion of atheism undermines any form of reason.
I make no such assertion. I only look for accurate descriptions of reality.For an atheist to assert that anything can be known in truth
How does "God did it" explain anything?he must make reference to appealing to realities that only theism can explain.
Why are these things that are so obviously in support of belief only obvious to those that already believe?Nagel has challenged the view that naturalism provides an explanation for life. He repeatedly writes in his book that he is not a theist but to my mind, at least, the conclusion is obvious.
Bizarre question. "If you were presented with convincing evidence for something, would you be convinced?"...
I'm wondering if an atheist met the creator he would still maintain that He is not divine, and that there are no divine beings.
How so?All of which deny any creative intelligence.
You are probably correct ,that you are unteachable . Unlike some christians I have studied very widely ,but I would not cast my pearls before swine .I'm convinced that you have nothing you can teach me, however, there is much you could learn from us.
Particularly if you do not want your 'pearls' to be critically examined, and found to be fake.You are probably correct ,that you are unteachable . Unlike some christians I have studied very widely ,but I would not cast my pearls before swine .
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