The Age of the Universe

[Chriliman]

If "truth" is "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality", why should it be so hard for you to demonstrate? Or by "truth", do you mean "opinion"?

You can't demonstrate the absolute truth about life, nor can science...yet, nor can I. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

 

[Chriliman]

Of course. You may have only imagined the experience.

If you choose to believe that, then that is what is true to you, but not to me.

 

[Davian]

Not the God I worship and believe in. God *is* the lab, and the planet, the suns, the galaxies, and everything else that "shows up" in any lab, including awareness.

And lightning, to zap those critters back into line.

Keep going.

 

[Michael]

Of course. You may have only imagined the experience.

Ya, and a blind person might imagine that everyone else imagines the experience of sight.

 

[Davian]

If you choose to believe that, then that is what is true to you, but not to me.

I can only go with the evidence at hand.

 

[Michael]

And lightning, to zap those critters back into line.

Keep going.

Yep. There's definitely nothing 'impotent' about the God that I worship.

 

[Davian]

Ya, and a blind person might imagine that everyone else imagines the experience of sight.

And if all those that claim this 'sight' stumble around as always, they would be justified in their position.

 

[Davian]

Yep. There's definitely nothing 'impotent' about the God that I worship.

Quite the opposite of the Christian "God".

 

[HitchSlap]

Not the God I worship and believe in. God *is* the lab, and the planet, the suns, the galaxies, and everything else that "shows up" in any lab, including awareness.

Does your study of reality include any control groups?

 

[Michael]

Of course. You may have only imagined the experience.

Ya, him and billions of other human beings throughout recorded human civilization. Then again, maybe it's not imagined at all.

 

[Michael]

Quite the opposite of the Christian "God".

Most Christians experience the presence of the Holy Spirit, even if they can't explain it. I just happen to have a few working hypotheses about the physics related to that human experience.

 

[Davian]

Ya, him and billions of other human beings throughout recorded human civilization. Then again, maybe it's not imagined at all.

Yet not one can demonstrate that this experience is not imagined. Maybe it is.

 

[Davian]

Most Christians experience the presence of the Holy Spirit, even if they can't explain it. I just happen to have a few working hypotheses about the physics related to that human experience.

It's called 'imagination'.

 

[Michael]

Does your study of reality include any control groups?

Is reality decided by "control groups". In what way would you suggest that I use them?

 

[Davian]

Is reality decided by "control groups". In what way would you suggest that I use them?

Scientifically.

 

[Michael]

Yet not one can demonstrate that this experience is not imagined. Maybe it is.

The only reason they can't demonstrate it (yet) is because it is an *experience of consciousness*. They can demonstrate that *other human beings* also have such experiences of consciousness. How would you empirically measure 'love' or 'forgiveness'?

 

[Michael]

Scientifically.

You mean like those 'dark matter' science guys that have a huge case of confirmation bias, and nothing tangible to show for *billions* of dollars worth of efforts in the lab?

 

[Michael]

It's called 'imagination'.

So assumes the blind man about everyone who professes to have 'sight'.

 

[Michael]

And if all those that claim this 'sight' stumble around as always, they would be justified in their position.

And when the sighted live happier and healthier lives? Then what?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ffers-buffer-against-strains-modern-life.html

 

[Chriliman]

Yet not one can demonstrate that this experience is not imagined. Maybe it is.

The evidence of God's existence is love. God no longer needs to demonstrate His existence in a physical way like He did in the Old testament, because He has demonstrated His love for us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. This is God's love that is currently being demonstrated through those that believe in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, what more evidence do you need than that love from other people who claim to believe in Jesus? If you cannot accept love as evidence of something greater than yourself, then you are exactly the type of person that needs to experience that love. These are my beliefs as a Christian.