The Adam and Eve are in devorce, so it is time to revise the Methodology of Science

[Aman777]

In any case, it wasn't a joke. It was just a response that you misunderstood.

Or an inability to communicate one's view effectively.

 

[Aman777]

I don't even know where to begin to refute your in detail constructed fantasies.

Begin with explaining HOW ancient men wrote the recently discovered scientific Fact that the big bang was hundred of millions of years BEFORE the first Stars lit up. Genesis correctly shows that one of God's Days is more than 4 billion years in man's time, so we can identify that it was LATE on the 3rd Day when the big bang happened. Genesis 2:4 because it was on the 4th Day when the Stars appeared. Genesis 1:16 Can you refute that only God knew that more than 3k years ago? Of course not.

 

[Aman777]

You assert it. Which is not the same.



Wow, dude.........................


I JUST explained to you how you misunderstood that. I JUST explained to you what I actually meant.

Worse still, I have JUST responded to YOUR response to the post where I explained it. You made this post AFTER that one.

And here you are again, doubling down once more on your misrepresentation, right after you actually read, and responded to, the post where I clarified it????


SERIOUSLY?



I'm beginning to think that you are just a very dedicated troll.
That, or you have the memory span of a fly.

LOL Someone can't handle the Truth.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Begin with explaining HOW ancient men wrote the recently discovered scientific Fact that the big bang was hundred of millions of years BEFORE the first Stars lit up.

That is a very wrong post, Aman777. This has been explained to you several times before in your other thread.

No ancient writer has ever wrote that the universe was in an extremely hot dense state made up of quarks and gluons (the Big Bang). Or even the later cooling down to a hot plasma.
No ancient writer has ever wrote that stars formed hundreds of millions of years after a Big Bang that they did not write about!
No ancient writer has ever wrote that stars formed hundreds of millions of years after any creation of the universe (which was not the Big Bang).

Genesis creation narrative
Genesis starts with a universe full of water . Genesis has days with mornings and evenings. The third day is the making of Earth with grass and trees thus at 4.6. billon years ago.

Even with an imaginary "one of God's Days is more than 4 billion years in man's time", no one can say that the Sun (4.6 billion years old) and Moon (4.5 billon years old) and first generation of stars (over 13 billion years ago) on the fourth day were created at a specific time.

And 13 - 4.6 = ~8.4 billion years = about two of God's Days!

 

[DogmaHunter]

Begin with explaining HOW ancient men wrote the recently discovered scientific Fact that the big bang was hundred of millions of years BEFORE the first Stars lit up. Genesis correctly shows that one of God's Days is more than 4 billion years in man's time, so we can identify that it was LATE on the 3rd Day when the big bang happened. Genesis 2:4 because it was on the 4th Day when the Stars appeared. Genesis 1:16 Can you refute that only God knew that more than 3k years ago? Of course not.

I don't need to explain any such thing, because in reality none of that stuff is written in genesis. That just you again, adding to those texts.

 

[DogmaHunter]

LOL Someone can't handle the Truth.

Says the guy who's been insisting on getting it wrong.

How come everybody else knew exactly what I meant?

 

[Aman777]

No ancient writer has ever wrote that the universe was in an extremely hot dense state made up of quarks and gluons (the Big Bang). Or even the later cooling down to a hot plasma.
No ancient writer has ever wrote that stars formed hundreds of millions of years after a Big Bang that they did not write about!
No ancient writer has ever wrote that stars formed hundreds of millions of years after any creation of the universe (which was not the Big Bang).

Notice that DogmaHunter agrees with you, so this refute will apply to both of you. The quarks and gluons (the Big Bang). Or even the later cooling down to a hot plasma took place on the 3rd Day which was some 9 billion years AFTER the first Day began.

I don't need to explain any such thing, because in reality none of that stuff is written in genesis. That just you again, adding to those texts.

It's easy to prove IF you know that one of God's Days/Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. The first 4.5 billion years took place between Jesus and the Father. Jesus speaks of that time just before His crucifixion, as He is praying to the Father. Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was. Jesus is speaking of the FIRST Day, the ONLY Day before the first firmament/Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:6-8

The 2nd Day was when the firmament was made and immersed in Water. Water was above and below the solid, hollow object showing that it was totally surrounded by water. Two Days/Ages or 9 Billion years had gone by before our present cosmos was made on the 3rd Day Genesis 2:4 the SAME Day the first Earth was made. Genesis 1:10

The 3rd Day/Age began when Jesus made Adam BEFORE the plants herbs and Trees to inhabit the first Earth. Genesis 2:4-7 The TREES, which grew on the 3rd Day Genesis 1:12 were made AFTER Adam was formed from the dust of the ground, to go into the Garden. Genesis 2:8-9

Therefore, the beginning of our cosmos was LATE on the 3rd Day since it was only 200 million or so years AFTER the BB when the first Stars lit up on the 4th Day. Genesis 1:16 Both of you are totally wrong about what is written in the Bible. It's because both of you are avowed Atheists who CANNOT understand the Bible. 1Co 2:14 Give it up and go back to trying to peddle the false ToE to little children.

The beginning of our Cosmos was 13.8 Billion years ago, and today is the present 6th Day because Genesis 1:28-31 is prophecy of events AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. That means is was some 3 Days/Age from the BB until now, in God's Time. Divide 13.8 years by God's 3 Days and the answer is 4.6 Billion years per each of God's Days. I round it off to 4.5 give or take a few million. IOW, Both of you are REFUTED mathematically. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Says the guy who's been insisting on getting it wrong.

See my last post which refuted you and Reality Check, both Scripturally AND Mathematically. Try again?

 

[RealityCheck01]

Notice that DogmaHunter agrees with you, so this refute will apply to both of you....

Repeating your distortion of the words of the Bible does not refute anything, Aman777.

Writing imaginary numbers is not mathematics. I could go thru your post, replace those years with what the Bible actually says and get the same "you are REFUTED mathematically."!

 

[RealityCheck01]

See my last post which refuted you and Reality Check, both Scripturally AND Mathematically. Try again?

Distorting the words in the Bible (day, evening, morning do not mean 4.5 billion years) and numbers you pull out of thin air do not refute anything.

 

[Aman777]

Repeating your distortion of the words of the Bible does not refute anything, Aman777.

Writing imaginary numbers is not mathematics. I could go thru your post, replace those years with what the Bible actually says and get the same "you are REFUTED mathematically."!

Weak. Next time try to do better.

 

[Aman777]

Distorting the words in the Bible (day, evening, morning do not mean 4.5 billion years) and numbers you pull out of thin air do not refute anything.

Then post your view which refutes me IF you can. Waiting.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Both of you are totally wrong about what is written in the Bible. It's because both of you are avowed Atheists who CANNOT understand the Bible.

An extremely wrong insult, Aman777.
Atheism does not prevent anyone from understanding the Bible. We have educations. We have brains. We have eyes. This is especially true because Christians and scholars write about the Bible.
Genesis creation narrative
Christians, scholars and atheists generally agree that Genesis states that God created the universe before the first day. The next days are God shaping what he has created into land, oceans, Earth, Sun, Moon, and stars. There is population with plants and animals. There is the making of man and woman (Adam and Eve).

All you have written is your own personal claims with no support from any other person.
As explained to you before: Scholars and Christians and atheists read the Bible. They see that whenever the Hebrew for "day" has a number such as "first day" it means a literal 24 hour day. They read that Genesis 1 not only has the Hebrew for 24 days, these days also have mornings and evenings.

For others: This is the tip of the iceberg of his claims which are in his other rather long thread. I will mention one. He claims that Noah's Ark was a wooden spacecraft that travelled from another planet to Earth through a universe fill of water in recent times (21k years ago?). It ends up in Lake Van, Turkey for some unknown reason - to keep company with the firmament that he claims is also in the lake?

P.S. It is not just atheist who disagree with his claims. In that thread, dad wrote:
Your day age dreams are opinion. Gen tells what happened
The holy spirit never said anything about Noah landing on another planet and having sex with apes actually.
Heissonear agreed with the "day age dreams" post and labeled these claims "errant origin doctrine"

 

[RealityCheck01]

Then post your view which refutes me IF you can. Waiting.

Read my post. This refutes you: Distorting the words in the Bible (day, evening, morning do not mean 4.5 billion years) and numbers you pull out of thin air

 

[Aman777]

All you have written is your own personal claims with no support from any other person.

Thanks for recognizing a truly original post, with no support from any man, which totally AGREES in every way with every discovery of Science and History and with God's Holy Word. I don't seek the support of any person since many of us are nuts. God tells us that all of our righteousnesses are as filthy rags, Isa 64:6 when compared to Him. I totally agree.

He claims that Noah's Ark was a wooden spacecraft that travelled from another planet to Earth through a universe fill of water in recent times (21k years ago?). It ends up in Lake Van, Turkey for some unknown reason - to keep company with the firmament that he claims is also in the lake?

Total confusion, since the Ark was inside Adam's solid firmament which protected it from the water into which God placed it. Genesis 1:6-8 God sent the firmament to our planet and it arrived in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago, in the mountains of Ararat. This brought Noah, the first Human (descendant of Adam) to our planet of the common ancestor of Apes. History AGREES and shows that EVERY trait of modern Humans comes from the SAME area. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE That's God's Truth in every way. Faith plus Fact equals God's Truth which no one here can refute, including you.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Thanks for recognizing a truly original post, with no support from any man, ....

Thanks for acknowledging that your personal claims are "with no support from any man".
Usual story about the Ark and firmament doing whatever you imagine with no support from man or the Bible.

A bad error from your other thread: It is a repeated blatant error that a map listing sites such as Jericho that are older than the Lake Van sites shows that civilization started at Lake Van.

One last and final time for you, Aman777.
That map has a legend. The legend lists the 4 icons that are used to label settlements on the map. The square icons are sites as early as 7500 BCE. The circle icons are sites of the "Ubaid culture, extant as early as 5200 BC". The icons near Lake Van are circles. The square icon sites predate them. There are circle icons near Jericho . These sites are at the same time as the Lake Van sites.
Thus the map lists sites up to 1800 years older than the Lake Van sites !
Jericho is the oldest known city in the world and predates those sites by about 3000 years. That is probably way the page title starts at 9000 BC - the settlement at Jericho.

 

[RealityCheck01]

...History AGREES and shows that EVERY trait of modern Humans comes from the SAME area.

More errors, Aman777.
This is history

History (from Greek ἱστορία, historia, meaning "inquiry, knowledge acquired by investigation")[2] is the study of the past as it is described in written documents.[3][4] Events occurring before written record are considered prehistory.

This is the history of writing ("between 3400 and 3300 BC" for the Fertile Crescent).
History cannot agree with a fiction you have written about events around 9000 BCE.

A "EVERY trait of modern Humans comes from the SAME area" error.
This is modern humans: Homo sapiens. SOME traits of modern humans arose in MANY areas. Read the sources above and you will learn about the independent "trait" of writing arising in several areas. Modern humans have been using tools as long as modern humans have existed (~315,000 years). Language may have originated in different places at different times. Early pottery varied in construction between different areas.

 

[DogmaHunter]

See my last post which refuted you and Reality Check, both Scripturally AND Mathematically. Try again?

Claiming that you refuted something, does not make it so.

Your nonsense has been addressed. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Like what you did with my clarification of the post you heavily misunderstood. Even after I posted it, you insisted on doubling down on your misunderstanding.

it's ridiculous.

 

[Aman777]

A bad error from your other thread: It is a repeated blatant error that a map listing sites such as Jericho that are older than the Lake Van sites shows that civilization started at Lake Van.

One last and final time for you, Aman777.
That map has a legend. The legend lists the 4 icons that are used to label settlements on the map. The square icons are sites as early as 7500 BCE. The circle icons are sites of the "Ubaid culture, extant as early as 5200 BC". The icons near Lake Van are circles. The square icon sites predate them. There are circle icons near Jericho . These sites are at the same time as the Lake Van sites.

I didn't make the map but used it only as a map showing where Lake Van was located on the map in relation to the Fertile Crescent. I have NEVER claimed that Human civilization began at Lake Van. That must be one of your misunderstandings. The first Human farming was south and west of Lake Van, in Mesopotamia, the land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Both Rivers begin there in the mountains and the water flows down through the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia.

I have seen the flawed attempt of the makers of the map to explain. Seems like everyone in the area wants to be known as the oldest city in the world. Jericho is one of the oldest BUT Jericho is an ancient Oasis and today's "so called" Science cannot distinguish between the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (descendants of Adam). Therefore they falsely ASSUME that prehistoric people established the city when in reality, it was so they could find water.

The recognized first Human farming began just SW of Lake Van, Turkey, which is like Denver and 5k feet in elevation. When Noah and his descendants left the Ark, they immediately went into the valleys of Northern Mesopotamia in the Fertile Crescent to plant themselves something to eat. Human civilization, on this Earth, began between the Rivers.

Thus the map lists sites up to 1800 years older than the Lake Van sites !
Jericho is the oldest known city in the world and predates those sites by about 3000 years. That is probably way the page title starts at 9000 BC - the settlement at Jericho.

Sure. Prehistoric people just happened to build a city at the Oasis and lived there for thousands of years before Humans arrived. It was the only city in the world at that time and had no way to feed the prehistoric people who had NEVER planted a crop nor built a city, in the 6 million years since these same people diverged from Chimps. But you get more tourist dollars by claiming to be FIRST. Are you sure you want to stick to that story?

 

[Aman777]

Modern humans have been using tools as long as modern humans have existed (~315,000 years).

The 315k is not the consensus scientists think the first fully human lived. The date is some 195,000 years ago. Scientists making this dating did not know the difference between the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (descendants of Adam) This ignorance is caused by their inability to understand Genesis.

Language may have originated in different places at different times.

Not so, unless you can show us another Ark which brought Humans with the superior intelligence of God Genesis 3:22 to this planet. What it proves is that mindless Nature does NOT magically insert God's superior intelligence into Apes. Prove me wrong and have a kitty cat call me.

Early pottery varied in construction between different areas.

Kind like classifying rocks and sticks as "tools". The traits of modern Humans are farming, building, smelting, etc which happened on Adam's Earth long before those traits appeared on the present Earth. Read Genesis 4. Animals don't farm, build cities, nor smelt. Never have, Never will. Only Humans do and they arrived in the Ark 11,000 years ago in the mountains of Ararat. That's God's Truth