The Adam and Eve are in devorce, so it is time to revise the Methodology of Science

[DogmaHunter]

Ask Dogma. Here is the post:



I asked him what quantum theory had to do with becoming a Human (descendant of Adam) and he disappeared. Now you tell us that quantum theory has nothing to do with it. One evolutionist is speaking with forked tongue. The evidence points to Dogma, running away like a scared puppy with his tail between his legs. What an image he makes.

ow my, lol

If this is the level of reading comprehension with which you read your bible, then no wonder you believe in bizar space arks.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I have to say, this thread took a hilarious turn.

Thanks for the laughs on this tuesday morning, folks!

 

[Subduction Zone]

ow my, lol

If this is the level of reading comprehension with which you read your bible, then no wonder you believe in bizar space arks.

I just had a thought. The Ark Park is a hilarious waste of money. The Space Ark Park might have the effect shown in this video:

 

[AirPo]

So, can you support your view that DogmaHunter claimed quantum physics changed apes into human with scripture?

No, since it does not agree with God's Truth...nor the Truth of History and I don't know enough but it's probably not true Scientifically.

Can't support it, don't know, probably...?

Doesn't make for a convincing argument.

 

[Aman777]

But my reply was only to a part of your quote.
Again: learn to read.

My reply was to this part only : "descendant of Adam) who was made with an intelligence like God's"

And I then asked "so god also has trouble wrapping his head around quantum theory?".

I really need to explain it, don't I? It's not sinking in what the point was, is it?

You said that humans are made with an intelligence like god.
If humans and god have the same intelligence, and humans have trouble wrapping their heads around quantum theory, then it follows that god too would have problems wrapping his head around quantum theory.

I wasn't answering your stupid question. I was responding to the implication of your choice of words. I addressed your stupid question in the sentence preceeding that one. By saying that I was never not a human.

I'ld think that only quoting the relevant words of your sentence, would make that clear.
Apparantly, I misjudged you.

I'll remind myself in the future that I can't just assume that you'll be able to understand implications of responses relative to the words being quoted.

After all, even asking you to go back and read it again and actually point out where I supposedly said what you claimed I said, didn't even make it sink in.
You disappoint me a little.



EDIT: and also... even accepting that you simply didn't notice the context and that I broke down your question, how on earth you took "so god also has trouble wrapping his head around quantum theory?" to mean "quantum theory changes apes into humans" is just ...bizar, to say the least.

Thanks for admitting you were just having fun while trying to show off to the other unbelievers here. That explains your unknowable and unfathonable sense of humor. Has anyone ever called you a nerd? The rule is that if you have to explain your humor, it's not funny. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

If this is the level of reading comprehension with which you read your bible, then no wonder you believe in bizar space arks.

Then try your best to refute me, show me specifically where I'm wrong. I don't believe you can but I would love for you to try so I can refute you.

BTW, Adam's firmament is the solid boundary of his world and it is more like a Submarine than a "bizar space ark". The Ark was inside the solid firmament which was completely immersed in water, with water above and below it. Genesis 1:6-7 That means that Adam's firmament was surrounded by water because that's the way water works. Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then try your best to refute me, show me specifically where I'm wrong. I don't believe you can but I would love for you to try so I can refute you.

BTW, Adam's firmament is the solid boundary of his world and it is more like a Submarine than a "bizar space ark". The Ark was inside the solid firmament which was completely immersed in water, with water above and below it. Genesis 1:6-7 That means that Adam's firmament was surrounded by water because that's the way water works. Amen?

That is not the way that it works. If you can't support challenged claims with valid evidence you are effectively wrong by default. Let me give you an example:

"I fly around my room at home by flapping my arms, prove me wrong."

Now if I rejected all science and ignored the application of science, you could never "prove me wrong". Does that sound familiar?

And since you do not appear to understand even the basics of science nor are willing to even try to learn you fail when you try to refute others. Once again we could go over the basics of science if you like. If you do understand it will be a short discussion. I have a feeling that it would go on and on.

 

[Aman777]

Can't support it, don't know, probably...?

Doesn't make for a convincing argument.

Not for DogmaHunter. I show the agreement of Scripture and History, while he is ashamed to try to show us his "quantum theory" answer. I'm beginning to think he was just Trumpin/bellowing into the wind. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

And since you do not appear to understand even the basics of science nor are willing to even try to learn you fail when you try to refute others. Once again we could go over the basics of science if you like. If you do understand it will be a short discussion. I have a feeling that it would go on and on.

FYI, I'm a converted evolutionist. I know the basics of science and how they agree with Genesis. You don't because you are too interested in showing us your precious "chart" which you must believe is more interesting than God's Truth. Actually, it's boring.

 

[Subduction Zone]

FYI, I'm a converted evolutionist. I know the basics of science and how they agree with Genesis. You don't because you are too interested in showing us your precious "chart" which you must believe is more interesting than God's Truth. Actually, it's boring.

There are people that believe things without good reason. That does not mean that their belief is right or wrong. Since you do not understand the theory of evolution you "believed it" for poor reasons. Now you have another belief that you believe for poor reasons.

When you can't support your claims you lose any debate by default.

And no, it is quite clear that you do not understand the basics of science. If you did you would not be so afraid to discuss those basics. When you run away from a reasonable request you demonstrate your lack of knowledge.

 

[Freodin]

Then try your best to refute me, show me specifically where I'm wrong. I don't believe you can but I would love for you to try so I can refute you.

BTW, Adam's firmament is the solid boundary of his world and it is more like a Submarine than a "bizar space ark". The Ark was inside the solid firmament which was completely immersed in water, with water above and below it. Genesis 1:6-7 That means that Adam's firmament was surrounded by water because that's the way water works. Amen?

Well, Genesis does refute your version. If you think that it accurately describe the events that happened, it doesn't leave much room for your "total destruction of a different universe" story.

Except of course if you started to introduce additional events into the story, that are not in the text, are mentioned nowhere else in the text and are solely based on your personal interpretation of a single word.

But who would do such a thing to a text that is already "God's truth"?

 

[Aman777]

Well, Genesis does refute your version. If you think that it accurately describe the events that happened, it doesn't leave much room for your "total destruction of a different universe" story.

Sure it does. Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven Genesis 1:8 was totally destroyed in the flood. 2 Peter 3:6 The firmament surrounded Adam's miles wide universe and protected it from the water which was above and below that small world. After the firmament arrived on our Earth, the windows on high were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights lifting the 450 ft Ark into Lake Van, Turkey as the bottom of the firmament sank into the Lake, where it remains today.

Except of course if you started to introduce additional events into the story, that are not in the text, are mentioned nowhere else in the text and are solely based on your personal interpretation of a single word.

False since my understanding agrees in every way with every discovery of mankind. i'm not smart enough to make it up. God is and He placed His Truth in front of everyone's nose for thousands of years but ONLY Christians of the last days have the "increased knowledge" to recognize that God told us His scientific Truth in Genesis more than 3k years ago. Daniel 12:4

But who would do such a thing to a text that is already "God's truth"?

You are measuring your accumulated knowledge in 2018 to the "beliefs" of ancient men whose theology some still teach today, by blind faith. This agrees entirely with God's Holy Word which shows that Only by Faith can one be saved.

Because of the internet, people today, have the accumulated knowledge of mankind at our fingertips. That's wonderful BUT it also shows that we live in the last days before Jesus returns for the "living". Are you ready?

 

[Freodin]

Sure it does. Adam's firmament, which God called Heaven Genesis 1:8 was totally destroyed in the flood. 2 Peter 3:6 The firmament surrounded Adam's miles wide universe and protected it from the water which was above and below that small world. After the firmament arrived on our Earth, the windows on high were opened and it rained for 40 days and nights lifting the 450 ft Ark into Lake Van, Turkey as the bottom of the firmament sank into the Lake, where it remains today.



False since my understanding agrees in every way with every discovery of mankind. i'm not smart enough to make it up. God is and He placed His Truth in front of everyone's nose for thousands of years but ONLY Christians of the last days have the "increased knowledge" to recognize that God told us His scientific Truth in Genesis more than 3k years ago. Daniel 12:4



You are measuring your accumulated knowledge in 2018 to the "beliefs" of ancient men whose theology some still teach today, by blind faith. This agrees entirely with God's Holy Word which shows that Only by Faith can one be saved.

Because of the internet, people today, have the accumulated knowledge of mankind at our fingertips. That's wonderful BUT it also shows that we live in the last days before Jesus returns for the "living". Are you ready?

Well, this is definitly not the story that Genesis tells. So you are making stuff up.

I don't mind. It is not me who thinks he has to answer to a very jealous and vengeful God who doesn't like it when people tell fibs.

 

[RealityCheck01]

The author...

This is an advertisement for your theological credentials and a big attached file, not anything in Physical & Life Sciences (this section of the forum), joinfree.

Starting with gaps in knowledge about cience and its history is bad. There are no "fathers" of science. The methods of science were established by every scientist who has worked in science for the last 400 years. They are still being worked on! Science is not only an ongoing process of getting every closer to the truth that the universe presents to us, it is also an ongoing process of improving the methods used to study the universe.

So we have non-existent "fathers" inserting "a lot of absurdity into the Methods of Science" which does not make the absurdity exist.

Other posters have pointed out other errors on that file.

• The actual definition of science is not a tautology.
• This is Popper's falsifiability criterion which is a small part of his view of the scientific method.
  We have a scientific hypothesis that explains existing evidence. To be a scientific theory, that hypothesis also has to make testable, falsifiable predictions. An accepted scientific theory has passed a large number of these testable, falsifiable predictions.
  Scientific theories are both "always confirmable" and always falsifiable.
• A "presumption of innocence" leads to ridiculous conclusions, e.g. "as long as something is not refuted, it exists" so pink unicorns exist on Venus? Anyone can make up any fantasy and that presumption will have that fantasy exist. It is more rational to require some empirical evidence for existence before accepting a proposed thing as an area for scientific enquiry.
  See Russell's teapot.

 

[RealityCheck01]

BTW, Adam's firmament ...

A derail into his personal fantasies about the Bible, especially Genesis. Please keep those in the appropriate thread, Aman777. Ditto for replies to his fantasies.

 

[RealityCheck01]

There are no nations, that are without religion. Thus, the humankind votes for theism.

That is wrong, joinfree. In nations that allow choice of religion it is the citizens that chose religion. The USA is officially a nation without religion.
Humankind has "voted" for many different gods over the last ~315,000 years (since humans have existed). Humankind is probably voting less and less for gods: Demographics of atheism.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Thanks for admitting you were just having fun while trying to show off to the other unbelievers here.

What fun? What showing off?

You made a post and I posted a response. You then went ahead and misrepresented it. And then doubled down. And then again.

Everybody else knew what I meant and I ended up explaining to you in detail what your mistake was. And now somehow you get to accuse me of having "fun" and "showing off"?

Alternatively, you just admit your mistake and move on.

Has anyone ever called you a nerd?

I'm and IT guy who loves gaming and shows like Star Trek and Stargate, what do you think?

The rule is that if you have to explain your humor, it's not funny. Amen?

Or that the one that requires the explanation, is too dumb to understand the point, off course.

In any case, it wasn't a joke. It was just a response that you misunderstood.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Then try your best to refute me, show me specifically where I'm wrong. I don't believe you can but I would love for you to try so I can refute you.

BTW, Adam's firmament is the solid boundary of his world and it is more like a Submarine than a "bizar space ark". The Ark was inside the solid firmament which was completely immersed in water, with water above and below it. Genesis 1:6-7 That means that Adam's firmament was surrounded by water because that's the way water works. Amen?

I don't even know where to begin to refute your in detail constructed fantasies.
Frankly, I don't think there's anything I could say to make you snap out of this fantasy world you've created for yourself. And I mean that in the most respectable manner. I'm not trying to ridicule you or anything, honestly.

I honestly believe that you are so far gone in your faith beliefs that nothing will ever persuade you. No amount of evidence will ever be enough. Your psychological defenses are up and they are very fortified.

As Dr Gregory House once said: "You can't reason someone out of a position that they didn't reason themselves into in the first place...."

 

[DogmaHunter]

Not for DogmaHunter. I show the agreement of Scripture and History

You assert it. Which is not the same.

, while he is ashamed to try to show us his "quantum theory" answer.

Wow, dude.........................


I JUST explained to you how you misunderstood that. I JUST explained to you what I actually meant.

Worse still, I have JUST responded to YOUR response to the post where I explained it. You made this post AFTER that one.

And here you are again, doubling down once more on your misrepresentation, right after you actually read, and responded to, the post where I clarified it????


SERIOUSLY?

I'm beginning to think he was just Trumpin/bellowing into the wind. Amen?

I'm beginning to think that you are just a very dedicated troll.
That, or you have the memory span of a fly.

 

[Aman777]

Well, this is definitly not the story that Genesis tells. So you are making stuff up.

Unsupportable false accusation. Be more specific where you think it's not the story in Genesis. it's really easy to point out your misunderstandings when you know God's Truth in Genesis.