THE ABSURDITY OF FREE WILL !!

Dr. Jack

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Here again, you just prove what I said true by your remark here:



Intellect is of the mind, not the heart. The mind does what the heart dictates it to do.

So you cannot choose to believe what God/Jesus/or the Holy Spirit leds you to until that heart has been regenerated.
3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus
Notice the words, "he saved us, by the washing of regeneration" not AFTER regeneration.

And where you and I will disagree again, is in Isaiah 1:18.

When the call/plea went out, to whom did it go to?

The whole world? Or the Hebrews only?

J. Alec Motyer wrote:

"18 Reason together is from \iyri&&, which does sometimes have the legal
overtones of a court decision (cf. 2:4; 11:4; Gn. 31:37). The parallelism between verses 2 and 10 may suggest that Isaiah is still thinking in forensic terms. How significant, then, that when the people are here called to the bar to hear the verdict it is expressed as an offer of free pardon and the chance of a new life! Isaiah will often later insist that the Lord’s forgiveness accords with legal requirement (see e.g. on 49:24-26). For the tense of says see on verse 11. The emphasis in verse 11 that the ritual of sacrifice is unavailing is matched by the emphasis here on free pardon. Scarlet and red are the colours of blood-guilt (cb verse 15). The Lord applies the remedy where he discerns the need. The structure of the context requires us to take they shall be as white as snow as a promise not as an ironic question:"

The Prophesy of Isaiah, J. Alec Motyer, InterVarsity Press, P.O. Box 1400, Downers Grove, Illinois 605 15, Copyright 1993, Isaiah 1-37, The Book of the King, A. The Preface, Judah the diagnosis and prognosis, (1:1-5:30), 2.Sin and experience, p.47-48.

Everything in that verse was expressed to the Hebrews/Jews.

Sorry to disagree but...

God Bless

Till all are one.
I appreciate the fact that you study ... but please consider this:

Sometimes we must take a step back and ponder the reality of what is being stated. For example ...

Everything in that verse was expressed to the Hebrews/Jews.

If that was ONLY expressed to the Hebrews/Jews, and if Isaiah was speaking literally ... Would that not insinuate that God had one plan of reasoning concerning their salvation; and some other plan for all others (Gentiles)?

God has only ever had one means of Redemption.
 
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So you cannot choose to believe what God/Jesus/or the Holy Spirit leds you to until that heart has been regenerated.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



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3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus
Notice the words, "he saved us, by the washing of regeneration" not AFTER regeneration.

Here again, we must disagree.

Read Charles Hodge "Systematic Theology".

In chapter 8, of Vol I, Theology proper, there are only three sections and they are:

1) His Nature

2) The Office of the Holy Spirit

3) History of the Doctrine of the Holy Spirit.

It is the special office of the Spirit to convince the world of sin; to reveal Christ, to regenerate the soul, to lead men to the exercise of faith and repentance; to dwell in those whom He thus renews,

As a Baptist, I also agree and say that James P. Boyce was also correct. (Abstract of Systematic Theology)

From the Scriptural teaching we see that the whole work of Regeneration and Conversion is included under the one term regeneration.

It is true that but few of the passages refer to anything save the work of God; yet these few sufficiently teach the use of the word in regeneration to lead us not to reject, as a part of it, that result of God's act which, in connection with the word, leads to the full union of its subject with Christ through repentance and faith.
The passages in connection with Paul as God's instrument, 1 Cor. 4:15, and Philemon 10, would not be conclusive, but they are made so by others.
However much James 1:18 suggests a different aspect of the work, namely, the bringing forth that which has been begotten, still it so nearly connects that idea with the begetting as to create doubt if the whole work may not be virtually involved.
But 1 Pet. 1:23, by the use of the compound of gennao, shows that all the work of the Spirit, including both the new heart and the leading of it to conscious faith, is properly to be spoken of by the same term as a mere change of heart.
The whole work is thus spoken of, however, because God is operative from the beginning to the end, but this does not prove that he does not operate differently in one part from what he does in the other. III. The Scripture teaching is that God operates immediately upon the heart to produce the required change, by which it is fitted to receive the truth, and mediately through the word in its reception of that truth.

1. He operates immediately upon the heart to prepare the way for the truth. This is evident
(1.) From the description given of man's spiritual condition.
(a) As spiritually dead. Eph. 2:1.
(b) As blind. Eph. 4:18.
(c) As slaves to sin. John 8:34; Rom. 6:17, 19.
(d) As needing deliverance from the powers of darkness. Col. 1:13.
(e) As incapable of knowing or discerning the things of the Spirit. 1 Cor. 2:14; Eph. 4:18.
(f) As incapable of changing himself. Jer. 13:23.
(g) As defiled in conscience. Tit. 1:15.
These passages show man in a condition from which he must be rescued even to understand and appreciate the truth of God.
(2.) The Scripture attributes the birth to the will of God exclusively, thus showing that in some aspect it is not to be regarded as due to the reception of the truth. John 1:13.
[For sections (3), (4), (5) and (6), see Hodge's Outlines, p. 451.]
(3.) The influence of the Spirit is distinguished from that of the word. John 6:45, 64, 65; 1 Cor. 2:12-15; 1 Thess. 1:5, 6.
(4.) A divine influence is declared to be necessary for the reception of the truth. Ps. 119:18; Acts 16:14; Eph. 1:17-20.
(5.) Such an internal operation on the heart is attributed to God. Matt. 11:25; Luke 10:21; Phil. 2:13; 2 Thess. 1:11; Heb. 13:21.
(6.) The nature of this influence is evidently different from that effected by the truth. Eph. 1:19; 3:7; 2 Tim. 2:25.
(7.) This influence is spoken of as a preparation of the heart for the truth; which, therefore, must be distinct from the truth or its reception. Luke 8:8, 15; Acts 16:14.
This preparation of the heart comes from God. 1 Chron. 29:18, 19; Ps. 119:18; Prov. 16:1; Acts 16:14; Rom. 9:23.
2. The Spirit acts mediately through the word.
(1.) He inspired that word and sends it forth for the accomplishment of the ends designed. John 14:16; 2 Tim. 3:16.
(2.) He aids the ministry and others in making it known. 1 Cor. 4:7; 2 Thess. 3:1.
To the extent that these are his agents he uses the word.
(3.) The instrument thus used is in itself effective as truth. Heb. 4:12. Therefore, Christians are commanded in their spiritual warfare to take the word of God as the sword of the Spirit. Eph. 6:17. It is, however, made especially so to the heart prepared for it by his illuminating influences, which reveal its beauties and its suitableness, and by the aid of the memory which recalls, and the conscience which applies, and the affections which lay hold upon it. 2 Tim. 3:15, 16, 17.
(4.) Christians are, therefore, said to be "brought forth, (James 1:18), by the word of truth," because that is the seed sown in the prepared ground through which they are led by repentance and faith to union with Christ and sonship of God.
(5.) Since this use of the Scriptures is due to their own fitness to present motives to action, the Spirit of God is not limited to this word alone but uses such other truth, and such events of life as may be effective towards the contemplated end. Thus any events in God's providence, as afflictions, or dangers, or personal sins, or the conversion of others, or aught else that may lead to seeking God, are used as a means of awakening, or of giving deeper conviction, or of enforcing the Scripture truths which lead to conversion.
(6.) This is especially true of the ordinances of Baptism and the Lord's Supper duly set forth before mankind. So far as these ordinances are fitted to convey truth, or to impress duty, they are instrumental in regeneration. (7.) But neither of them regenerates or confers regeneration.
The Spirit does not make truth effective by giving it additional force to that which it has naturally, but by so affecting the mind that the man is prepared to receive it with its own due force. Thus he changes the mind, illuminates the mind, helps it appreciate and lay hold of truth. Only thus does he make truth effectual. Therefore, the outward washing or partaking can have no effect to renew, or regenerate the heart, which must itself have been prepared, before it can even appropriate the truths conveyed

James Petigru Boyce, Abstract of Systematic Theology

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Various forms of expression are employed in the Scriptures, to denote the change of heart; and they signify it with various shades of meaning.. It is taking away the heart of stone, and giving a heart of flesh;[122] giving a new heart;[123] putting the law in the heart;[124] quickening or making alive;[125] a resurrection from the dead; an illumination;[126] a conversion, or turning back to God.[127] So great is the change produced, that the subject of it is called a new creature,[128] as if proceeding, like Adam, directly from the creating hand of God; and he is said to be renewed,[129] as being restored to the image of God, in which man was originally formed. With reference to the mode in which the descendants of Adam come into the world, the change is denominated regeneration;[130] and the subjects of it are said to be born again.[131]

[122] Ezek. xxxvi. 26.

[123] Ezek. xviii. 31.

[124] Heb. viii. 10.

[125] John vi. 63; Eph. ii. 1; Rom. vi. 11, 13.

[126] Heb. x. 32.

[127] Ps. li. 13; Matt. xviii. 3; Ps. xxv. 16; Isaiah lix. 20.

[128] 2 Cor. v. 17; Gal. vi. 15.

[129] Col. iii. 10; Rom. xii. 2; Tit. iii. 5.

[130] Tit. iii. 5.

[131] John iii. 3, 7; 1 Pet. i. 23.

John L. Dagg, Manual of Theology, Book 7, Chapter 4, Regeneration.

http://www.freegrace.net/library/dagg/bk7c3.html#sec4

Regeneration precedes everything.

If that was ONLY expressed to the Hebrews/Jews, and if Isaiah was speaking literally ... Would that not insinuate that God had one plan of reasoning concerning their salvation; and some other plan for all others (Gentiles)?

Never said that. What I have said, and I'll keep on saying it is that very, very little of the Old Testament has anything to do with mankind as a whole. 99% of it was written to and addressed to the Hebrews/Jews.

Then I guess you also believe the Decalogue is "universal" also?

You know what, I'm done arguing with you. It doesn't matter what I post, your gonna take issue with it, and vice versa.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Regeneration precedes everything.

Man said vs. the Bible...


Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.


Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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