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The 3rd seal is about 7 years of famine all over the world
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seventysevens
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Correct , and even if I don't die before the GT , I still won't be there as I will be with Jesus and the rest of the Wise virgins
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Riberra
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Surely ---You are SO worthy !You are probably even more worthy than the Twelves apostles who had no favor treatment in the tribulation of their times.Correct , and even if I don't die before the GT , I still won't be there as I will be with Jesus and the rest of the Wise virgins
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Those people hv no faith that Jesus will take the wise virgins to the Feast of the Lamb in heaven, but its Jesus who will make it happen, not the unbelievers.
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All believers of Jesus who died will be resurrected at the Rapture and taken to the Feast of the Lamb in heaven with the living saints, if you dont believe and refuse this its your own rights, Jesus never force you to believe Him either.
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seventysevens
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You have just proven that you really have not studied scripture ,if you had you would know - you see scripture the way the pharisees did
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Cant you see there are great multitude not under the Altar, which consists of the resurrected early church and the living saints.
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Riberra
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The numbers of martyrs have grown to millions over the years since the early Christians martyrs to whom were given white robes ...there is not enough place under the altar for these millions of martyrs ...so they are seen before the Throne of God...They are all wearing white robes .
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Riberra
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The group of martyrs wearing white robes have grown as it was said at the 5 Th Seal Revelation 6:11...
Revelation 6:9-11
9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And there was given them to each one a white robe; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little time, until their fellow-servants also and their brethren, who should be killed even as they were, should have fulfilled [their course].
The millions of martyrs wearing white robes are seen before the Throne Of God Revelation 7:9-17... just before that God start the 7 Tribulation Trumpets[Revelation 8 -- Revelation 9]] ...and will avenge the blood of all the SAINTS MARTYRS with the 7 Vials of the WRATH OF GOD Mentioned in Revelation 16...
Revelation 16
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, Go ye, and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God into the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his bowl into the earth; and it became a noisome and grievous sore upon the men that had the mark of the beast, and that worshipped his image.
3 And the second poured out his bowl into the sea; and it became blood as of a dead man; and every living soul died, [even] the things that were in the sea.
4 And the third poured out his bowl into the rivers and the fountains of the waters; and it became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters saying, Righteous art thou, who art and who wast, thou Holy One, because thou didst thus judge: 6 FOR THEY POURED OUT THE BLOOD of the SAINTS and the PROPHETS, and blood hast thou given them to drink: they are worthy.
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We who disbelieve the 'rapture to heaven' doctrine, do so because we cannot find any scripture that says God will do that for His people.
The prophecy of John 14:1-3 never mentions heaven, just that Jesus is preparing the New Jerusalem, that will come down to earth after the Millennium.
Jesus will Return, as promised and then He will take His faithful people to where He is. In Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thess 4:15-17 tell us about this.
Going to live in heaven is not God's plan for us Christians. We are commissioned to proclaim the Gospel, skiving off simply isn't an option.
Jesus said that many will be deceived in the end times. Matthew 24:4 and Paul said that people will refuse sound teaching and believe in fables, 2 Timothy 4:3-4 Are the rapture believers quite sure their belief isn't a fable and they are not deceived?
One way, in fact the only way; to prove their belief, is to provide a plain, unambiguous Bible verse that says God will take His people to heaven. John 14:1-3 doesn't cut it, 1 Thess is about the Return, 1 Cor 15 and 2 Cor 5:7 is about the GWT Judgement and immortality for those whose names are Written in the Book of Life. So where is the proof text for a rapture? Put up or shut up!
The prophecy of John 14:1-3 never mentions heaven, just that Jesus is preparing the New Jerusalem, that will come down to earth after the Millennium.
Jesus will Return, as promised and then He will take His faithful people to where He is. In Jerusalem. Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thess 4:15-17 tell us about this.
Going to live in heaven is not God's plan for us Christians. We are commissioned to proclaim the Gospel, skiving off simply isn't an option.
Jesus said that many will be deceived in the end times. Matthew 24:4 and Paul said that people will refuse sound teaching and believe in fables, 2 Timothy 4:3-4 Are the rapture believers quite sure their belief isn't a fable and they are not deceived?
One way, in fact the only way; to prove their belief, is to provide a plain, unambiguous Bible verse that says God will take His people to heaven. John 14:1-3 doesn't cut it, 1 Thess is about the Return, 1 Cor 15 and 2 Cor 5:7 is about the GWT Judgement and immortality for those whose names are Written in the Book of Life. So where is the proof text for a rapture? Put up or shut up!
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seventysevens
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There is none so blind than those who REFUSE to see
Just as the Pharisees puffed up their pride that they are the lawmakers and their position as such , they had religion and no love - they profess to have a relationship with God but Jesus stated they did not have such - Jesus says do NOT be like them - all puffed up in their pride _ Jesus said that HE will prepare a place in His Fathers House in Heaven and He will come for us and take us there - and we shall always be with Him
Jesus did not speak about death when he spoke of this
Consider why did the Omnipresent All Knowing God not include the names of Jesus parents in the scriptures so that King Herod could know who they were , why Herod had to kill all boys 2 yrs and younger , why the magi did not return to Herod and telll him where the baby Jesus was , your carnal way of thinking is blocking you from seeing the truth - just as you comments have shown
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