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Featured That we keep his commandments AND "his commandments are not burdensome"...

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neogaia777, Nov 13, 2018.

  1. Neogaia777

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    That we keep his commandments AND "his commandments are not burdensome"... (1 John 5:3)

    The reason I added the "AND" in caps, is because a lot of people quote this and stop just before the "AND" part and ignore and leave out what follows... They have to have seen it and read it and know it, but chose or always choose to leave it out...? And why do they do this...? Well... I'll leave that one alone for now...

    Anyway, For if his commandments are burdensome, they are sin...

    So, which commandments...? Not the Ten commandments or the law, but the two Jesus spoke of, and either way, if they are burdensome, they are sin... But the OT Law Covenant is clearly described as a very heavy load and very heavy burden (that those of Law try to put on others)... So, I don't think the "commandments" he wants us to keep and/or observe and obey are the Old "letter of the law" OT, works based, Law Covenant, but are "something else"...

    And I'd like to ask you all what you think this "something else" "is"...?

    What do you think...?

    God Bless!
     
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  2. Neogaia777

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    Now, if you can take true joy and pleasure and delight (without sinning or it being sinful) in the OT Law covenant, then, more power to you, it/that is just not me, or for me, I feel...

    But I do not see "hardly any" doing this, or that are able to truly do this in the right way, and that "is sin" for those who do not or are not able to...

    God Bless!
     
  3. Neogaia777

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    In case your wondering just what commands or commandments John is talking about...

    1 John 3:11 "For this is the message (commandment/gospel) that ye heard from the beginning, (way before the Law) that we should love one another.

    Many also want to quote 1 John 3:22, without including 1 John 3:23 that comes after it...? And again I would ask, "Why do they do this again...? Anyway,

    1 John 3:22-23 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments (love), and do those things that are pleasing in his sight (love). And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    2 John 1:6 "And this is love, that we "walk after" (follow, pursue, chase after) (which is a process) his commandments (pursue and chase after and aim to try and attain to the high standard of perfection, that is, perfect love) This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, (love) ye should walk in it (love).

    So, you can maybe see how many are abusing and twisting scriptures, can you, can't you...?

    Anyway,

    Either way, it should not be burdensome or it is sin...

    God Bless!
     
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  4. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    There is a difference between "having" to do something and "wanting" to do it. If you are forcing yourself to do it, then it is a burden. If you want to do it, out of love for The Almighty or your neighbor, then it is not a burden, it is a joy... Shalom :)
     
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  5. Neogaia777

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    Why do you want to do it...? Whether it be the two or the ten, why do you want to do it...? Is it truly out of true and pure love...? And not any selfish or self-serving reasons "at all"...?

    Cause I don't think observing and obeying the ten, or the Old Law covenant in general can be done out of love, or can continue to be done out of only love alone, but I do not claim to know that "for sure", but it is just by what, and what I have, and do, "see and observe", in the world, and in ancient times, basically in what I see with those of the Old Law Covenant and/or the world around me/us...

    God Bless!
     
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  6. Neogaia777

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    IOW's I think "Love can only be done in and out of love, and love alone, and there is no other way", which is also what I think I hear Jesus himself and many of the writers of the NT trying to say (to us) also...

    God Bless!
     
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  7. Neogaia777

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    The caps/non-caps in that statement with the word Love/love was done on purpose, in case your wondering...

    God Bless!
     
  8. Lost4words

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    You add (love) to scripture quoted.
     
  9. Neogaia777

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    Cause that's what he means and stated earlier before and about that (is the only reason)... And I didn't want anyone to "miss" it/that...

    1 John 3:11 "For this is the message (commandment/gospel) that ye heard from the beginning, (way before the Law) that we should love one another.

    God Bless!
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    Language experts do that as well:

    New International Version
    And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.

    New Living Translation
    Love means doing what God has commanded us, and he has commanded us to love one another, just as you heard from the beginning.

    English Standard Version
    And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

    Berean Study Bible
    And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the very commandment you have heard from the beginning, that you must walk in love.
     
  11. 1213

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    Bible tells that the words of the covenant were the ten Commandments:

    …He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
    Exodus 34:27-28

    Why would anyone think the ten commandments are burden? After all, they are basically, love your neighbor as yourself.

    Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet," [TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"] and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.
    Romans 13:8-10
     
  12. Neogaia777

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    While I agree, I was trying not to get into that here, in reality both sets of commandments are the same, but, "either way", they are impossible to live up to fully and perfectly, here in this life, so that no flesh can boast, or justify itself before God...

    That's where we all must "start"... That, either way, it is impossible and was designed to be impossible for us here in this world, while in the flesh to fully and perfectly keep and perfectly obey "any set of written down commandments", that's why it has to come from the heart, and your heart and conscience must be your guide, but by and directed by the Spirit of God, which is in you/us all...

    The written form will say "Love", but in it's practical everyday practice, and when and where you have to judge, your gonna need that "inner" "thing" (gut feeling) (that is your heart and conscience lead by and/or is the Spirit of God (H.S) in you/me/us)...

    God Bless!
     
  13. Kaon

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    What did Christ say we should do if we love Him?
     
  14. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Because Yeshua said to love the Almighty and love your neighbor. What would be self-serving and selfish is to NOT do it. Shalom
     
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    And even if person could live by it, it would not be the reason for eternal life. Eternal life is a gift to righteous people.

    These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
    Mat. 25:46

    That is why, there is no reason to boast, even if ne could love as it has been commanded.

    But I think it should be possible, because:

    He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
    1 John 3:7-10
     
  16. Neogaia777

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    Hey, I think this post I just now did is connected to this pretty much saying (or asking the audience) about that very same thing...

    The right view of sin...

    God Bless!
     
  17. Neogaia777

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    Love others as/and ourselves...? As He has loved us...?

    Why do you ask...? Is it because you think I am not doing that...?

    God Bless!
     
  18. Kaon

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    He said for us to keep His commandments if we love Him.

    He is the Word of God Himself - the entirety of the Word. His commandments are the commandments of the Most High God, no?

    I have no issue about whether or not you are doing this, but it important to highlight his commandments are NOT just the two most often quote in the New Testament. Every commandment that the Most High God gave was from the Redeemer; they are one.
     
  19. Kaon

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    Exactly. The Most High God isn't forcing people to worship Him, but He also doesn't want us chopping up His Statutes and indulging in only the ones that make sense for the respective modernity.
     
  20. Neogaia777

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    Any letter of any Law will not get you very far, for it is a matter of the heart, if we are loved, we should love, and that is the commandment... all of the commandment(s) and any commandment(s) from God...

    I do not subscribe to the idea, and I am not convinced at all, that trying to obey the "letter" of the Ten Commandments or the OT Law covenant in your own strength and will, ect, is "The Way" at all...

    If were truly one of his our heart will be, or will become "right" at some point, and we will love because were loved, and that is really the only command that matters...

    But, even and when we view this as "command" and not something that comes from, and is "matter of the heart", we will fail miserably, sometimes even when we think we are succeeding, which is the problem with the, or any "letter" of any law, or any kind of commandments viewed as "commandments"...

    Perfect Love should fulfill the OT Law, once it is perfected, but, how many of us are really perfect, or will ever be perfect, or will become perfect in this world, is the question...

    God Bless!
     
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