Texas Governor to bus illegal aliens to Washington D.C.

[HARK!]

There already exists a law that put a massive dent in illegal immigrants. But neither Republicans nor Democrats want to enforce it. Which tells us that complaints about illegal immigrants in the workforce are highly hypocritical.

How can the rich get richer if the market isn't saturated with cheap labor? Do you expect the wealthy to pay a living wage? We have to continue to devalue the worth of the American worker, if we want to protect the elitist class. They are, after all, a minority.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How can the rich get richer if the market isn't saturated with cheap labor? Do you expect the wealthy to pay a living wage? We have to continue to devalue the worth of the American worker, if we want to protect the elitist class.

No, we need immigrants. Haven't you complained rather loudly about gas prices and tried to blame Biden for something that is the result of an international market? Who are you going to blame if the price of your strawberries, lettuce, and various other fresh fruits and vegetables triple? If you want to see what the crazy right wing ideal does to food prices you should go to Japan and see what they pay for local produce.

 

[HARK!]

No, we need immigrants. Haven't you complained rather loudly about gas prices and tried to blame Biden for something that is the result of an international market? Who are you going to blame if the price of your strawberries, lettuce, and various other fresh fruits and vegetables triple? If you want to see what the crazy right wing ideal does to food prices you should go to Japan and see what they pay for local produce.

If we stopped handing out food stamps; is there a possibility that some might take jobs picking produce, rather than starving to death. Image how that would help ease the tax burden on those who are working for a living. They might see an improvement in their quality of life, not only because they could ask for higher wages in a market starving for workers; but because they wouldn't be under as much of a tax burden.

 

[timothyu]

If you want to see what the crazy right wing ideal does to food prices you should go to Japan and see what they pay for local produce.

So two years of global market manipulation have had no effect and we have to go into the political past when no one was complaining? Politics. A convenient reason why no one focuses on the corporations.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If we stopped handing out food stamps; is there a possibility that some might take jobs picking produce, rather than starving to death. Image how that would help ease the tax burden on those who are working for a living. They might see an improvement in their quality of life, not only because they could ask for higher wages in a market starving for workers; but because they wouldn't be under as much of a tax burden.

Now I will agree that some people do abuse the privilege of food stamps. But do you really think there are that many abusers? Many of them are women with children that they are trying to raise. Worse yet if you raise the price of food, as you seem to want to, then we would have to raise the money paid out in food stamps to those that need the benefit. Your nonsolution appears to be ridiculous.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So two years of global market manipulation have had no effect and we have to go into the political past when no one was complaining? Politics. A convenient reason why no one focuses on the corporations.

What one Earth are you talking about? We have needed and used illegal immigrants as a huge part of the workforce for decades. This is not a recent thing. And this is also why Trump's wall was a joke from the start. Many, if not most illegal workers, cross the border legally. The only ones that it stops are the truly needy from countries south of Mexico. Mexicans themselves could always cross without a problem.

 

[HARK!]

Now I will agree that some people do abuse the privilege of food stamps. But do you really think there are that many abusers? Many of them are women with children that they are trying to raise. Worse yet if you raise the price of food, as you seem to want to, then we would have to raise the money paid out in food stamps to those that need the benefit. Your nonsolution appears to be ridiculous.

If people were being paid higher wages and paid less taxes; people could easily afford to pay slightly higher prices for produce. How much do you think that an illegal gets paid for an hour of work; and how much produce do you think that he can pick in an hour. When you distribute that pay raise over the cost of all of the produce that can be collected in an hour, we're talking pennies. However, a labor saturation sends ripples throughout the entire work force. People will take jobs for less money, because there are more people competing for the same job. The ones who are less qualified with take jobs that they are overqualified for; because they need a job. This starts the competition for the lower level jobs, which in turn, pushes more people down.

Your solution feeds the rich, and keeps the American worker scrambling to make ends meet, and being pushed around by his employer's demands, in hopes that he can hold on to his job, before it is taken by someone who will work for even less.

 

[Mayzoo]

If we stopped handing out food stamps; is there a possibility that some might take jobs picking produce, rather than starving to death. Image how that would help ease the tax burden on those who are working for a living. They might see an improvement in their quality of life, not only because they could ask for higher wages in a market starving for workers; but because they wouldn't be under as much of a tax burden.

Many receiving food stamps are already working, they just don't earn enough to survive since the federal minimum wage has not gone up since 2009 but inflation has.

About a Third of Families Who Received Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Benefits Had Two or More People Working.

Most Working-Age SNAP Participants Work, But Often in Unstable Jobs | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Report: Millions of Full Time Workers Still Need Gov't Aid

 

[timothyu]

The only ones that it stops are the truly needy from countries south of Mexico. Mexicans themselves could always cross without a problem.

How is that logical? And who paid the bus fares, food and clothing for the waves of Central Americans? But to top it off why keep running to Trump? Is he a global corporate entity?

 

[HARK!]

Many receiving food stamps are already working, they just don't earn enough to survive since the minimum wage has not gone up since 2009 but inflation has.

If employers were in desperate need of workers, there wouldn't need to be a minimum wage. Employers would be competing for workers, not workers competing for the scraps that employers were offering.

If there wasn't such a demand for government handouts, it would reduce the inflation rate.

I was talking to a retired Liberal recently who talked about how great it is that housing prices were skyrocketing. He's getting richer on his property investments, due to housing shortage, due to the Southern invasion, and due to inflation caused by government spending. He's getting rich in contrast to those who are young and need to rent apartments with rising rents.

 

[Mayzoo]

If employers were in desperate need of workers, there wouldn't need to be a minimum wage. Employers would be competing for workers, not workers competing for the scraps that employers were offering.

If there wasn't such a demand for government handouts, it would reduce the inflation rate.

I was talking to a retired Liberal recently who talked about how great it is that housing prices were skyrocketing. He's getting richer on his property investments, due to housing shortage, due to the Southern invasion, and due to inflation caused by government spending. He's getting rich in contrast to those who are young and need to rent apartments with rising rents.

I keep hearing what an employee shortage we had just a few months ago. Is that now suddenly over?

The point was, you want folks to work instead of collecting SNAP, and many/most folks who collect SNAP already work they just do not earn enough to live without assistance.

Increasing the federal minimum wage has been reviewed numerous times, and shot down each time.

 

[timothyu]

I keep hearing what an employee shortage we had just a few months ago. Is that now suddenly over?

Of course and it looks good for the President too, but it merely was people going back to work after the quarantines and shutdowns. A freebie for politicians looking to make themselves look good.,

 

[Subduction Zone]

If people were being paid higher wages and paid less taxes; people could easily afford to pay slightly higher prices for produce. How much do you think that an illegal gets paid for an hour of work; and how much produce do you think that he can pick in an hour. When you distribute that pay raise over the cost of all of the produce that can be collected in an hour, we're talking pennies. However, a labor saturation sends ripples throughout the entire work force. People will take jobs for less money, because there are more people competing for the same job. The ones who are less qualified with take jobs that they are overqualified for; because they need a job. This starts the competition for the lower level jobs, which in turn, pushes more people down.

Your solution feeds the rich, and keeps the American worker scrambling to make ends meet, and being pushed around by his employer's demands, in hopes that he can hold on to his job, before it is taken by someone who will work for even less.

What an illegal is paid is going to vary by state. In my state even illegal workers get the minimum wage. Now, you may not pay people that are desperate for work outside of a Home Depot that much, but any industry will have to pay minimum wage and that is $14.49 here. Major employers cannot really get around that. And even at that rate no one that is born here will take on the stoop labor of picking strawberries or other similar jobs. Not at anything close to the minimum wage.

Once again, if a fair wage was paid for picking local produce you would see huge increases in cost. We tired it once in the past. A few crops were switched over to mechanical pickers. Nut tree harvesting is almost all mechanical these days. But strawberries are just a tad more delicate than a walnut.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How is that logical? And who paid the bus fares, food and clothing for the waves of Central Americans? But to top it off why keep running to Trump? Is he a global corporate entity?

The people that are having a conniption fit about the migrant workers tend to be very strong Trump supporters. They also support his foolish wall. Which part did you not understand? Do you understand that the wall would not keep out Mexican workers? All they have to say at the border is "I am visiting my cousin Lupe". The wall discriminates against true refugees. It does not prevent people coming from Mexico itself to work here, but if there was a person forced by political upheavals in El Salvador to leave their country it could be an impediment for them.

 

[HARK!]

I keep hearing what an employee shortage we had just a few months ago. Is that now suddenly over?

What labor shortage? A labor shortage for businesses that have this pipe dream that they can sell their products and services for what people can't afford, while paying their employees what they aren't willing to work for; because the employees can't survive on such low wages, that they can't afford what their hands produced?

Let those pipe dreamers fail. If we take the demand off the housing market, by deporting those who are here illegally, the cost of housing will plummet, as there will be more apartments than tenants. The landlord tycoons will have to sell of their vacant properties, at a price that will make it more appealing for those to buy, instead of rent.

 

[Mayzoo]

What labor shortage? A labor shortage for businesses that have this pipe dream that they can sell their products and services for what people can't afford, while paying their employees what they aren't willing to work for; because the employees can't survive on such low wages, that they can't afford what their hands produced?

Let those pipe dreamers fail. If we take the demand off the housing market, by deporting those who are here illegally, the cost of housing will plummet, as there will be more apartments than tenants. The landlord tycoons will have to sell of their vacant properties, at a price that will make it more appealing for those to buy, instead of rent.

Here is some information on the labor shortage:

Understanding America’s Labor Shortage: The Most Impacted Industries

 

[HARK!]

What an illegal is paid is going to vary by state. In my state even illegal workers get the minimum wage. Now, you may not pay people that are desperate for work outside of a Home Depot that much, but any industry will have to pay minimum wage and that is $14.49 here. Major employers cannot really get around that. And even at that rate no one that is born here will take on the stoop labor of picking strawberries or other similar jobs. Not at anything close to the minimum wage.

Once again, if a fair wage was paid for picking local produce you would see huge increases in cost. We tired it once in the past. A few crops were switched over to mechanical pickers. Nut tree harvesting is almost all mechanical these days. But strawberries are just a tad more delicate than a walnut.

Again that cost would be distributed over the entire hourly yield, pennies.

What do you think those guys outside of home depot want? A builder friend of mine told me that they've wised up. They want the going rate. They want you to pick them up, drop them off, and buy them lunch.

You tried what in years past?

 

[HARK!]

Here is some information on the labor shortage:

Understanding America’s Labor Shortage: The Most Impacted Industries

Again, let failing businesses fail. Don't prop up the elitists who want to sell a product at a price that people aren't willing to pay, while offering employees what they aren't willing to work for.

I see no value in propping up the failing businesses of elitists, by short changing the American worker.

 

[Mayzoo]

Again, let failing businesses fail. Don't prop up the elitists who want to sell a product at a price that people aren't willing to pay, while offering employees what they aren't willing to work for.

I see no value in propping up the failing businesses of elitists, by short changing the American worker.

Many employers offer what the federal government feels is a perfectly acceptable wage (I think it is way overdue for an increase, but the government and most employers do not agree). Why would an employer offer more if the federal government says that is an acceptable wage and they have no issues filling the positions?

If an employee is not willing to work for the wage an employer is offering, then they can keep looking to find work that pays what they are willing to work for (that they are qualified for) or they can increase their skill set to earn a higher wage (if they can afford to). I have turned down jobs that paid subpar for my field, and I am sure lots of folks have done so also.

There are many, many who are willing/happy to work for minimum wage, so the employer has no worries there, and that is likely why the government sees no reason to increase it.

ETA as far as I know we are not "propping up the business", we are propping up the employees with federal aid.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, we need immigrants. Haven't you complained rather loudly about gas prices and tried to blame Biden for something that is the result of an international market? Who are you going to blame if the price of your strawberries, lettuce, and various other fresh fruits and vegetables triple? If you want to see what the crazy right wing ideal does to food prices you should go to Japan and see what they pay for local produce.

The only immigrants we need are ones who are at least willing to enter the country the legal way. If they can't be bothered to do even that, we don't need them at all.