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But I have a feeling this thread is about keeping the letter of the law.

Yep. I came close to posting a thread on a different board concerning how early Christians interpreted the Bible in light of the Judiazers and the Ebionites. The notion that strict observance of the Law was not necessary for salvation and even a hindrance of the Gospel was a message that was not just seen in the Pauline epistles, but later with the Apostolic Fathers and Church Fathers as well.
 
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When a spirit comes, and tells me that it's OK to ignore YHWH's perfect Torah; how do I test that spirit?

Ask why it is ok.

And then maybe you could say:

If you love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:15

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3
 
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I think it's a package deal. People are born again, and the fruit of the Holy Spirit is automatically produced as we trust Jesus in our daily walk.

The passage I was remembering was in acts 16:16 and onward. The demon possessed girl was silenced because the demon was cast out.

So in the same way, if people are acting in a way that is demonic, but also quoting scripture - they must be ignored.
 
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The spirit can be non-religious, so this is not criteria to say if the spirit is not ok.

This is what John says:

(CLV) 1Jn 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of God, for many false prophets have come out into the world.

(CLV) 1Jn 4:2
In this you |know the spirit of God: every spirit which is avowing Jesus Christ, having come in flesh, is of God,

Was John mistaken?
 
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So by taking the steering wheel, are you suggesting that we shouldn't be led by the spirit?

By what standard do we judge the fruit?
 
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Spirits are tested by DOCTRINE. It is Doctrine that sets apart the Spirit of Christ and the spirit of the devil. Any one that does not confess the doctrine of Christ is not of Christ.

How do you define doctrine?
 
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This doesn't always work. I recall this one demon possessed person in the gospels preaching a gospel about Jesus being the way to salvation who was then silenced.

I don't recall this verse. Can you share it with us?
 
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When a spirit comes, and tells me that it's OK to ignore YHWH's perfect Torah; how do I test that spirit?

If that were to happen ... Gods word is the test ... and certainly we are not to ignore Gods word ... oh duh?
 
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Whenever I have asked a spirit to confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, the response has always been silence. The testing of spirits that John prescribes has this effect, to silence them.

Interesting.
 
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[2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Is this to say that if the spirit is truthful on this point; that it cannot lie?
 
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I've read both of those letters, very carefully dissecting them. As it is written; Paul can sometimes be difficult to understand. However, Yahshua is very clear.

If there arises what seems to be a discrepancy between what Paul says, and what Yahshua says; who do we follow?

Here is what Yahshua says:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

He kept the law perfectly, and called us to follow him.

Here is what Paul says:

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.
 
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This passage is about observing fast days.


YHWH defined food in Leviticus.
 
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On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
(Matthew 22:36-40)

No other laws: No dietary laws, no law requiring keeping of sabbath days, new moons or festivals, no law requiring circumcision of the flesh,

False.

(CLV) 1Co 6:9
Or are you not aware that the unjust shall not be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom? Be not deceived. Neither paramours, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor catamites, nor sodomites,

(CLV) 1Co 6:10
nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards; not revilers, not extortioners shall be enjoying the allotment of God's kingdom.
 
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(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
 
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(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
1 John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
 
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