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Testimony Power: Does Anyone here remember Helen Baylor's Words at Dr.Price's church?

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Revelation 12:11
They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death.
Revelation 12:10-12
Perhaps it's me....but has anyone here ever wondered what ever happened to the day when people gave testimonies that were truly worth documenting on film? Not saying that others today do not have powerful testimonies or that many haven't been caught on film---but I've noticed how there seems to be alot less focus on the power of change that comes through them....and more focus on subjects such as theological debate, treasties, how faith may or may not work and a host of other subjects. All of which do impact, but I wonder how much they end up taking the place of the focus of our testimony and hearing of others whose lives were changed...

Growing up, my mother used to listen to many of the sermons within the Faith movement (i.e. Creflo Dollar, Joyce Myers, etc) and be encouraged--but there was something truly powerful about hearing the simple stories of others who were changed by Christ. In example, one that came to my mind was that of Helen Baylor. She attends Dr.Fredrick Price's church (when he was the pastor, as he retired and his son now leads it). Her testimony was constantly played on the cassette tape in my mom's car...and I NEVER get tired of it, nor feel as if the power of hearing what Christ did in her is less than what it was when it impacted me in my younger years. From her sharing how she listen to Fredrick Price's tapes to how the Lord answered her through prayer due to her grandmother praying, I really do wish more of that was present in churches today.....when things seemed alot simpler on what was seen as a necessity for the CHurch to have today.

And to see how the testimony was combined with song/music made a difference in so many ways. As a child, I remember literally feeling as if the words of Christ were burned into my heart due to her singing what she was sharing...and to this day, it's amazing how much her testimony of deliverance was something that got me through times I experienced bondage. Compared to the amount of books, debates and teachings that others often gave, there are few things that seemed as powerful as a simple testimony to the Power of the Blood of Christ to change. To witness the entire experience I am talking about, one can go here:​







If there are any other WOF members who either know of Helen Baylor in her testimony or who've felt similar, I'd love to hear sometime :) Moreover, if you have any stories or even video testimonies that you'd like to share for encoruagement, I'd love to hear sometime. Shalom


Some things that come to mind whenever I hear her testimony.....
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Ephesians 5:18-20
18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, 20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Colossians 3:16
Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts.
These verses have always fascinated me. In my understanding, the “Word of Christ” probably refers to the teaching about Christ as well as the words of Christ himself, which were apart of the oral traditions passed on to believers in the early years after Christ ascended to Heaven, before the Gospels had been written. Although the early Christians had access to the OT/Torah and freely used it, they did not yet have the New Testament or any other Christian books to study. Their stories and teachings about Christ were memorized and passed on from person to person. Sometimes the teachings were set to music and so music became an important part of Christian worship and education. Nonetheless, there was still a dynamic involved where the “hymns/psalms” were considered to be just what they were even when there WAS no music. It’d be like someone speaking spoken word/poetry—essentially using their words that they have—to encourage me…and never realizing that it was a form of WORSHIP to God. For they through their words “infected” me with something I needed to hear. The issue of “being filled with the Spirit” seems significant from what I can understand since being filled with the spirit should result in joyful praise through singing and making melody. From what I've been able to understand thus far, this may refer to differing kinds of psalms and hymns and spiritual songs. Found in the OT Psalter...although it could also be that Paul is referring both to the canonical psalms and to comtemporary compositions of praise.


What has been on my mind is that corporate wosrship has a teaching function through the lyrics of its songs..and this was paticurlary important in the oral culture of Paul’s day....and yet there was the reality that many times it was not “corporate” in the sense that everyone was looking to one person doing all of the work….especially in times when that was not available. The apostles could not always be there to teach the people---and as said before, many times they'd teach the members of a church and then leave elsewhere to anothe church that'd take months to get to. There was not NKJV Bible they could refer to, let alone many of the epistles combined that we have available today. Thus, essentially, there really wasn’t a concept of “well, lets look for the worship leader!!!" when someone was discouraged and you wanted to encourage them. You were the Worship leader. You were the sermon. And you spread what you knew. Seeing that worship is also a matter of how you live your life before others in view of God(Romans 12)—as everything we do is to be done unto the Glory of Christ ( 1 Corinthians 10:30-32 / Colossians 3:16-18 ) , that’s pretty heavy in my view. The way that information was spread was not merely through reading alone.....and in many ways, its symbolic of how we're to be when it comes to the Gospels of Christ and His message.

A quote that comes to mind is by Seth Godwin, who is a marketing guru and who coined the phrase “ideaviruses” to try and articulate hyberbolic growth in relation to marketing and ideas in general. In his conception, “an ideavirus is a big idea that runs amok across the target audience.” It’s a fashionable idea that captures the thinking and imagination of a section of the population, teaching and influencing and changing everyone it touches. As Godwin said best, “Have you ever heard of Hotmail? Ever used it? If so, its not because Hotmail ran a lot of TV Ads (they didn’t). It’s because the manifesto of free email got to you. It turned into an ideavirus. Someone you know and trust probably infected you with it.” Just like a computer virus can spread through the Internet and jam the world’s computers in one we, so an idea virus is contagious..in precisely the same way that a virus does. The Gospel, which we all claim to believe, travels like a virus…..being “sneezed” and then passed on through further sneezing from one person to the other. All that’s needed is the right conditions and the appropriate relationships onto which we can “sneeze”.


When I heard Helen Baylor's testimony at Dr.Fredrick Price's church, it reminded me of how many heard what she said and her words were contagious, infecting them (as I was ) with the Gospel and helping me see things differently simply because she shared how Christ changed her---and shared her words through song. Essentially the same thing that occurred with Negro Spirituals/slaves when they had very little connection with the Church....as they used what they had.

Oral methods were effective enough to get the truth across even when they couldn't share from the pulpit...

One can also look up the issue of Folk Tales and Folk Music (spread by Word of Mouth) and Storytelling. That’s where most of the “TALE Tales” that you’re probably all aware of came from (i.e. Paul Bunyan, Davy Crocket, etc). Same thing when it comes to many of the assumptions entire cultures held at times for ages—be it claiming the world was flat or that the universe revolved around the Earth. Seeing the ways ideas spread has been on my mind for a good bit, especially when it comes to the old saying of how "attitudes are contagious...and is yours worth catching?" Seriously, can you imagine being a slave in the middle of the hot sun—with about 300 others. You have lashes on your back and things seem pretty grim. What if the main thing you’re thinking about doing is making things worse by using your lips to complain? Discourage others with words of how “its never gonna change ya’ll” or “life stinks!!!!”.

If slaves did that as a majority, they would have never made it out probably.....and many times, all it took was one slave….one…to have a different tune and literally change up the atmosphere with sharing a testimony. Someone had to be speaking positively in order for others to simply survive…and that led to a movement being sustained. What’s even more funny than that is that many other slaves may have never even been involved with those who were encouraging….yet when they heard of others singing, it infected them. It gave them an idea of something they could do with the other slaves they were with. Even with escaping slavery, some of the slaves heard music being sung by others—just like it’d be with hearing the commercials on the radio station—and if hearing it often enough and seeing others do the same, one started to catch on.

They were denied so much..and yet They still adapted what little they did know to their own circumstances....passing that down the generations what they could handle. If they were able to do that back then, what does that say of us today we act as if we’re stuck on “mute" -and refuse to speak up with our words/testimonies?
Proverbs 12:25
Anxiety weighs down the heart, but a kind word cheers it up.

Proverbs 15:23
A person finds joy in giving an apt reply— and how good is a timely word

Proverbs 15:30
Light in a messenger’s eyes brings joy to the heart, and good news gives health to the bones

Proverbs 25:25
Like cold water to a weary soul is good news from a distant land.

I’m amazed seeing how those slaves used their words in such a creative fashion…learning how to give encouragement for their current generation and those following so they'd not grow either embittered or discouraged. They couldn’t have chosen to keep quiet or chosen to use their vocals to communciate discouragement----as that would have been nothing but spreading further death. And to be clear, there were A LOT of reasons for looking for discouragement/reasons not to speak. What needed to happen was using what you had and finding a reason to say something.

They were obediant to the scriptural command to speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs in admonishing one another before the Lord. With the example of Negro Spirituals, again, its amazing to see how the attitude of freedom from physical/spiritual oppression spread so quickly when it came to their circumstances...for they used the little bits /pieces of language they did understand and turned it into something that was QUITE extraordinary---an entire system/way of spreading concepts and ideas that aided them on a host of issues, be it the Underground Railroad/escaping to the North or social protest and the lifting of their spirits for the sake of survival----and all of it happened just as believers are called/able to do when they may have very little to rely upon at times...except the Spirit of God and the creativity he has given all men.


The example of Paul and Silas come to mind in Acts 16:24-26 /Acts 16 when they were in prision and they began to sing hymns/psalms. They didn't have a "Bible" with them (though the Word was certainly in their hearts)---and in light of their lack, they decided to begin singing. Admid their suffering Paul and Silas were miraculously freed from their confinement.. and God did an amazing work that led to others being saved.
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Acts 16:16-34
Paul and Silas in Prison




After they had been severely flogged, they were thrown into prison, and the jailer was commanded to guard them carefully. 24 When he received these orders, he put them in the inner cell and fastened their feet in the stocks.

25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everyone’s chains came loose.
To me, when hearing of what I did at Helen Baylor's church, that's what Helen Baylor was like. She was in prison spiritually...and the Lord delivered her. She was in bondage, like a slave....yet she used her voice/song to find freedom in Christ and help others find freedom as well. So thankful for what I experienced growing up in WOF when it came to the power of testimony/song before the Lord....as it truly does make a difference.

Praying someone walks away feeling encouraged if reading this thread..:). Blessings...
 
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Helen Baylor


“Right next to the likes of Gladys Knight and Patti Labelle, Helen Baylor rightfully and richly deserves her place. She has managed to effectively bring her great heritage of R&B/Pop music to the world of Christian/ Gospel music, thereby blessing us with a voice filled with power and conviction!”– Jerry Peters

Helen Baylor is a native Californian, now residing in the Atlanta, Georgia area. She is the wife of James Baylor and the mother of three sons and one daughter. Baylor and her family are members of Word of Faith Family Worship Cathedral where Bishop Dale C. Bronner is the Pastor.

Helen became a born-again Christian in 1981 after a 12 year drug addiction that nearly claimed her life. She greatly credits the prayers of her grandmother, the late, Mother Minnie Hudson, for her return to the God of her childhood. After spending her early formative years attending church with her grandmother in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Helen began singing in nightclubs in the Los Angeles, California, at the age of 13.

Helen went on to record her first single at the age of 13 and became an opening act for artists such as Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder and others.

Helen spent most of her young adult years chasing her dream of becoming a star but was caught in a web of alcohol and drugs by her 18th birthday.

After returning to God in 1981, Helen began attending and soon became a member of Crenshaw Christian Center in Los Angeles, California.

A faithful member, Helen became an employee of the church and later joined the choir.

In 1992, Helen became a member of the FICWFM (Fellowship of Inner-City Word of Faith Ministries), an organization founded by Dr. Frederick K.C. Price.

In 1993, Helen was ordained to the Gospel Ministry by Dr. Frederick K.C. Price and in February 1995 received an Honorary Doctorate Degree in Sacred Music from Friends International Christian University, in Merced, California.

God has gifted Helen Baylor to sing and teach the Word powerfully and under the anointing. She candidly shares her testimony with a heart to teach the lost and encourage the believer.
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I don't kmow her either but she is good. I found this little biography on her and her ministry off the net.

I tried to download a video of a tremendous healing of Mike Hoeseh from Andrew Wommack's "healings journeys" but the link was incomplete and all I got was wording. A little different kind of testimony from Helen Baylor's but it had good documentation. He received a small growth on his left chest from him just scratching that area and it ended up growing to the size of large cauliflower, BTW it even looked like a cauliflower. Get a chance, locate the video on Wommack's site. I think it as on week three on his "healing journeys."

Blessings.....
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Harry
 
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Helen Baylor


“Right next to the likes of Gladys Knight and Patti Labelle, Helen Baylor rightfully and richly deserves her place. She has managed to effectively bring her great heritage of R&B/Pop music to the world of Christian/ Gospel music, thereby blessing us with a voice filled with power and conviction!”– Jerry Peters

Helen Baylor is a native Californian, now residing in the Atlanta, Georgia area. She is the wife of James Baylor and the mother of three sons and one daughter. Baylor and her family are members of Word of Faith Family Worship Cathedral where Bishop Dale C. Bronner is the Pastor.

Helen became a born-again Christian in 1981 after a 12 year drug addiction that nearly claimed her life. She greatly credits the prayers of her grandmother, the late, Mother Minnie Hudson, for her return to the God of her childhood. After spending her early formative years attending church with her grandmother in Tulsa, Oklahoma, Helen began singing in nightclubs in the Los Angeles, California, at the age of 13.

Helen went on to record her first single at the age of 13 and became an opening act for artists such as Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder and others.

Helen spent most of her young adult years chasing her dream of becoming a star but was caught in a web of alcohol and drugs by her 18th birthday.

After returning to God in 1981, Helen began attending and soon became a member of Crenshaw Christian Center in Los Angeles, California.

A faithful member, Helen became an employee of the church and later joined the choir.

In 1992, Helen became a member of the FICWFM (Fellowship of Inner-City Word of Faith Ministries), an organization founded by Dr. Frederick K.C. Price.

In 1993, Helen was ordained to the Gospel Ministry by Dr. Frederick K.C. Price and in February 1995 received an Honorary Doctorate Degree in Sacred Music from Friends International Christian University, in Merced, California.

God has gifted Helen Baylor to sing and teach the Word powerfully and under the anointing. She candidly shares her testimony with a heart to teach the lost and encourage the believer.
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I don't her either but she is good.
Glad to know you were blessed by her, although I'm surprised that others were often not aware of her. Mabye it's a cultural gap, as I've often noticed what's discussed in parts of the Faith Movement more associated with Black culture are often not well discussed in other parts of the faith movement. Unless one was intimately tied to Dr.Fredrick K.C Price in following his ministry, I'd not expect one to know of Helen Baylor...and the same being the case if one was not an adamant fan of Gospel Music/Black Christian singing....

But I could be off..


I found this little biography on her and her ministry off the net.

Was there anything you enjoyed about her testimony? As you noted that you felt she was good, I was curious as to what.....

I tried to download a video of a tremendous healing of Mike Hoeseh from Andrew Wommack's "healings journeys" but the link was incomplete and all I got was wording. A little different kind of testimony from Helen Baylor's but it had good documentation.
Would love to see sometime when you're able to get it...

He received a small growth on his left chest from him just scratching that area and it ended up growing to the size of large cauliflower, BTW it even looked like a cauliflower. Get a chance, locate the video on Wommack's site. I think it as on week three on his "healing journeys."

Blessings.....
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a friend,

Harry
Will try to look into it:)
 
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...never heard of Helen Baylor previously but really blessed listening to her. Thanks!
Glad it blessed you. She's up there with others like Karen Wheaton and others...as it concerns the severity of what she went through and how the Lord delivered her and faith played a key role. There was another one that came to mind when I heard hers, as it's by someone else battling drug addiction:


Nicky Cruz also had some amazing testimonies as it concerns coming out of abusive situations into the Kingdom of Christ, specifically from drugs and Gang Violence and being helped tremendously by believers:
 
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Easy G (G²);60119848 said:
Was there anything you enjoyed about her testimony? As you noted that you felt she was good, I was curious as to what.....

Like you, liked her testimony combined with her music, and was impressed that she was associated with the likes of Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder and others. Have been watching Ever Increasing Faith for years and never heard of her. Sounds like you were attending Fred's church at the time of her testimony. For you, that must have been a nice experience.

I started viewing Helen's first video and later jumped down to the second one that was a lot shorter. I'll finish up the first one later.

With Helen's early years with drugs and her testimony, reminded me of Nancy Honeytree. I brought up three videos of her earlier on this post. Nancy also started out with drugs.....in the late 60s and she was drawn into the "hippy" movement and later the Jesus movement. She toured with some of the legendary figures of the Jesus movement, including guitarist Phil Keaggy and Mike Warneke. She was an early pioneer in gospel music.

With Honeytree, I didn't realize she was based in my area, (within 50 mi.) Once I found that out, my wife and I went to two of her concerts last summer. At her last concert, I requested three of her older songs, and two of her songs I had to sing along with her, until her memory was refreshed. I caught her off guard, she usually sings her newer songs. She apologized and said she would refresh up on her older songs. Singing along with her was quite an experience.

You and your mom will probably continue to cherish Helen's singing and her testimony for the rest of your lives, as with Nancy Honeytree to me. I started listening to Nancy back in 1971 here at our local "secular" radio station....."Wow", when was the last time anybody has heard that?....Christian gospel songs on a secular station!....Now, after meeting her, her music will remain with me, and more concerts to come.

Thanks for sharing.......
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Harry
 
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Like you, liked her testimony combined with her music, and was impressed that she was associated with the likes of Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder and others. Have been watching Ever Increasing Faith for years and never heard of her. Sounds like you were attending Fred's church at the time of her testimony. For you, that must have been a nice experience.
To be clear, my mother and I never attended Fred's church..although we grew up with his teachings via T.V/radio and other places. The church we attended was very much WOF oriented in multiple ways..but yes, it was a truly nice experience growing up with her.

Beautiful voice and a testimony worth passing on..

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I started viewing Helen's first video and later jumped down to the second one that was a lot shorter. I'll finish up the first one later.
Let me know when you're done with the first one fully..as I think you'll like it.

With Helen's early years with drugs and her testimony, reminded me of Nancy Honeytree. I brought up three videos of her earlier on this post. Nancy also started out with drugs.....in the late 60s and she was drawn into the "hippy" movement and later the Jesus movement.
The Jesus Movement was so powerful in the 60's, from Keith Green to Andre Crouch and so many others. Nacy sounds pretty slamming :)

She toured with some of the legendary figures of the Jesus movement, including guitarist Phil Keaggy and Mike Warneke. She was an early pioneer in gospel music.

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With Honeytree, I didn't realize she was based in my area, (within 50 mi.) Once I found that out, my wife and I went to two of her concerts last summer. At her last concert, I requested three of her older songs, and two of her songs I had to sing along with her, until her memory was refreshed. I caught her off guard, she usually sings her newer songs. She apologized and said she would refresh up on her older songs. Singing along with her was quite an experience.


Epic :thumbsup:


You and your mom will probably continue to cherish Helen's singing and her testimony for the rest of your lives, as with Nancy Honeytree to me. I started listening to Nancy back in 1971 here at our local "secular" radio station....."Wow", when was the last time anybody has heard that?....Christian gospel songs on a secular station!....Now, after meeting her, her music will remain with me, and more concerts to come.

:clap:
Thanks for sharing.......
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a friend,

Harry
Blessings...
 
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Easy G (G²);60112708 said:
it's amazing how much her testimony of deliverance was something that got me through times I experienced bondage. Compared to the amount of books, debates and teachings that others often gave



How does people debating back and forth (arguing about who is right, which is strife) bring faith to anybody?

I think it's in Romans where debate is something listed as not a good thing.
 
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How does people debating back and forth (arguing about who is right, which is strife) bring faith to anybody?

I think it's in Romans where debate is something listed as not a good thing.
Debate is not the problem but the spirit of the discussion. Debates can be simple discussions, they can be a proving of position, and they can turn into contested arguments.

This latter is the strife that you refer to. Arguing heatedly, as if the other position is simply wrong and the holder of that position needs to be beaten or whipped.

The first level of such debate comes in when lost men who teach unscriptural concepts enter the church (or at least "religous" venues) and lead the faithful astray.
Jude 1:3-4
Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. 4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God[b] and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Against ungodly belief we are to contend (to struggle, to fight) for the faith, to keep it on the right track and understood by the members of the body. One can see this same concept in Phillipians 1:27.

Within the Body we are to teach and train, to exhort and to chastise. When two or more of us have a differing viewpoint, we need to discuss (yes, debate) this out so as to determine and discern the true meaning wihtin scripture over such subjects.

Within the Body you will find that we don't debate about common or essential doctrines, and when another camp argues them with us (WoF) it is usually at such a striving level that, yes, it turns into strife and denegrates one or the other (or both). And this type of disagreements and contention is not what scripture teaches when it tells us that we are learn and be diligent to show ourselves approved.

Proper debate should be an iron sharpening iron event. The people who are invovled and those who read along as the casual reader, should learn from the experience -- even if nobody's position is changed at the time of the talk. The purpose is to build up the body and help people to learn a much deeper experience with the Word.

Is there anything going on here that concerns you? ;) ;) ;)
 
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Arguing heatedly, as if the other position is simply wrong and the holder of that position needs to be beaten or whipped.


Yes, sometimes you have to understand that you cannot force others to agree with sound doctrine, and as such you just have to separate yourself from someone.

God taught me this over time that sometimes you just have to allow people to have their position because allows people to have their own free will and the wisdom they hold will be justified by the fruit that it bears.







Is there anything going on here that concerns you?


Not looking for a strife filled debate... that would be ungodly, now wouldn't it?
 
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How does people debating back and forth (arguing about who is right, which is strife) bring faith to anybody?

I think it's in Romans where debate is something listed as not a good thing.

Before going further, I'm assuming that you--as well as ABM--took time to investigate the video from the OP, correct? For I have no problem going in differing directions...but I'd appreciate discussion on what the OP was on before going into the direction of addressing what debate is. And as ABM did a good job summing up the issue, with arguing being seen as different from debate, I don't know how much I could add.

Where I stand, this is primarily intended to be a testimony thread...where the joy/focus is in sharing testimonies of how the Lord has changed others (or us) and then going from there^_^:)
 
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You and your mom will probably continue to cherish Helen's singing and her testimony for the rest of your lives, as with Nancy Honeytree to me. I started listening to Nancy back in 1971 here at our local "secular" radio station....."Wow", when was the last time anybody has heard that?....Christian gospel songs on a secular station!....Now, after meeting her, her music will remain with me, and more concerts to come.

Thanks for sharing.......
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Harry
Not certain if you're aware of it - but I came across a set of testimony series called "I Am Second" that really spoke deeply to me. Curious if you've ever heard of a man known as Tim Ross? He has worked throughout the Faith Movement and does ministry with others such as T.D Jakes Church with the Potter's House - and hearing his testimony was truly powerful:


If you have any testimony stories, again, I'd love to hear sometime:)
 
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Gxg (G²);60112708 said:
Perhaps it's me....but has anyone here ever wondered what ever happened to the day when people gave testimonies that were truly worth documenting on film?
The best testimonies are the people that walk with God all of their life and never get away from Him.
 
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