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Test (supposedly) confirms Darwin's theory of universal common ancestry

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Was darwin right?

Of microorganisms and man: First large-scale test confirms Darwin's theory of universal common ancestry
May 12, 2010

More than 150 years ago, Darwin proposed the theory of universal common ancestry (UCA), linking all forms of life by a shared genetic heritage from single-celled microorganisms to humans. Until now, the theory that makes ladybugs, oak trees, champagne yeast and humans distant relatives has remained beyond the scope of a formal test. This week, a Brandeis biochemist reports in Nature the results of the first large scale, quantitative test of the famous theory that underpins modern evolutionary biology.

The results of the study confirm that Darwin had it right all along. In his 1859 book, On the Origin of Species, the British naturalist proposed that, "all the organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial form." Over the last century and a half, qualitative evidence for this theory has steadily grown, in the numerous, surprising transitional forms found in the fossil record, for example, and in the identification of sweeping fundamental biological similarities at the molecular level.

Still, rumblings among some evolutionary biologists have recently emerged questioning whether the evolutionary relationships among living organisms are best described by a single "family tree" or rather by multiple, interconnected trees—a "web of life." Recent molecular evidence indicates that primordial life may have undergone rampant horizontal gene transfer, which occurs frequently today when single-celled organisms swap genes using mechanisms other than usual organismal reproduction. In that case, some scientists argue, early evolutionary relationships were web-like, making it possible that life sprang up independently from many ancestors.
According to biochemist Douglas Theobald, it doesn't really matter. "Let's say life originated independently multiple times, which UCA allows is possible," said Theobald. "If so, the theory holds that a bottleneck occurred in evolution, with descendants of only one of the independent origins surviving until the present. Alternatively, separate populations could have merged, by exchanging enough genes over time to become a single species that eventually was ancestral to us all. Either way, all of life would still be genetically related."

Harnessing powerful computational tools and applying Bayesian statistics, Theobald found that the evidence overwhelmingly supports UCA, regardless of horizontal gene transfer or multiple origins of life. Theobald said UCA is millions of times more probable than any theory of multiple independent ancestries.

"There have been major advances in biology over the last decade, with our ability to test Darwin's theory in a way never before possible," said Theobald. "The number of genetic sequences of individual organisms doubles every three years, and our computational power is much stronger now than it was even a few years ago."

While other scientists have previously examined common ancestry more narrowly, for example, among only vertebrates, Theobald is the first to formally test Darwin's theory across all three domains of life. The three domains include diverse life forms such as the Eukarya (organisms, including humans, yeast, and plants, whose cells have a DNA-containing nucleus) as well as Bacteria and Archaea (two distinct groups of unicellular microorganisms whose DNA floats around in the cell instead of in a nucleus).
Theobald studied a set of 23 universally conserved, essential proteins found in all known organisms. He chose to study four representative organisms from each of the three domains of life. For example, he researched the genetic links found among these proteins in archaeal microorganisms that produce marsh gas and methane in cows and the human gut; in fruit flies, humans, round worms, and baker's yeast; and in bacteria like E. coli and the pathogen that causes tuberculosis.

Theobald's study rests on several simple assumptions about how the diversity of modern proteins arose. First, he assumed that genetic copies of a protein can be multiplied during reproduction, such as when one parent gives a copy of one of their genes to several of their children. Second, he assumed that a process of replication and mutation over the eons may modify these proteins from their ancestral versions. These two factors, then, should have created the differences in the modern versions of these proteins we see throughout life today. Lastly, he assumed that genetic changes in one species don't affect mutations in another species—for example, genetic mutations in kangaroos don't affect those in humans.
What Theobald did not assume, however, was how far back these processes go in linking organisms genealogically. It is clear, say, that these processes are able to link the shared proteins found in all humans to each other genetically. But do the processes in these assumptions link humans to other animals? Do these processes link animals to other eukaryotes? Do these processes link eukaryotes to the other domains of life, bacteria and archaea? The answer to each of these questions turns out to be a resounding yes.

Just what did this universal common ancestor look like and where did it live? Theobald's study doesn't answer this question. Nevertheless, he speculated, "to us, it would most likely look like some sort of froth, perhaps living at the edge of the ocean, or deep in the ocean on a geothermal vent. At the molecular level, I'm sure it would have looked as complex and beautiful as modern life."

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What does this mean for Christians? Does this mean that the theory of Adam and Eve has been proven to be a load of hogwash and that snakes actually can not talk? What about the moses? Does this prove that the jews never was actually able to cross over the bread sea or whatever?

I am currently not practicing any religion because I am waiting for one to find me, but I am asking you christians, what is your argument that blokes could actually walk on water and burn their bushes? Should I believe in the christianity or should I believe the evolutionists and become a scientologist like Tom Hanks, John Travolta and Steven Hawkings?
 

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Was darwin right?

What does this mean for Christians? Does this mean that the theory of Adam and Eve has been proven to be a load of hogwash and that snakes actually can not talk? What about the moses? Does this prove that the jews never was actually able to cross over the bread sea or whatever?

I am currently not practicing any religion because I am waiting for one to find me, but I am asking you christians, what is your argument that blokes could actually walk on water and burn their bushes? Should I believe in the christianity or should I believe the evolutionists and become a scientologist like Tom Hanks, John Travolta and Steven Hawkings?
OK, I'll bite.

Christians have an omnipotent deity to explain burning bushes and what not.

Belief in Christianity is not incompatible with belief in the theory of common descent, despite what some extremist Christians would have you believe.

Neither Tom Hanks nor Stephen Hawkings are Scientologists, though John Tavolta is, and Scientology has nothing to do with the theory; indeed, Sceintology contradicts evolution in a number of key places (the details are hilarious, until you realise people actually believe this stuff).
 
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But if noah's ark was actually a real ark, why are there dinosaur bones and why were there no dinosaurs on the boat (or were there) and how do we explain that?
We don't.Noah's Ark is a Judaeo-Christo-Islamic myth; there is no evidence whatsoever that suggests there was ever a global flood. If there was a global flood, the world would be covered in evidence, since floods leave very distinctive markers behind.
 
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Also if I am not sure about what religion I should pick does that make me am I an athiest? and if so, if I do choose christianity as my religion will being a former athiest grant me a spot in hell because if so I will probably choose jewish or whatever.

Can someone please answer me about who is right followers of jesus and christianity or followers of darwin and scientology? I need to hear some input because I am torn about what I should believe: on one hand you have evolution and sciencetology where they would have you bel;ieve that man came from apes, and that we have in our body these things called xenu or something, etc. and on the other hand christianity you would have to believe that a man was able to walk on water, transform h2o to wine and then into his own blood and makes his friends drink his own blood before he is beaten and locked in a cave where he becomes some sort of zombie / whatnot.

Is there anyone that can answer this for me? I am utterly torn and Jewish is looking to be my best bet as it seems that i would merely have to wear some sort of hat and refrain from eating salt on pork after the sun goes down?
 
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We don't.Noah's Ark is a Judaeo-Christo-Islamic myth; there is no evidence whatsoever that suggests there was ever a global flood. If there was a global flood, the world would be covered in evidence, since floods leave very distinctive markers behind.
I guess it would be a leap of faith as they call it but i will believe it if someone can point me to reasons why i should believe that I should follow christianity.
 
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I guess it would be a leap of faith as they call it but i will believe it if someone can point me to reasons why i should believe that I should follow christianity.
There is absolutely no reason you should pick any particular religion to adhere to.
 
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If there was a global flood, the world would be covered in evidence, since floods leave very distinctive markers behind.
Looking for evidence of a God-orchestrated global flood is like looking for Jesus' footprints on the Sea of Galilee.

Mother Nature's floods would leave all sorts of evidence behind; but that's because Mother Nature can't clean up after herself as thoroughly.
 
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Looking for evidence of a God-orchestrated global flood is like looking for Jesus' footprints on the Sea of Galilee.

Mother Nature's floods would leave all sorts of evidence behind; but that's because Mother Nature can't clean up after herself as thoroughly.
That's just crazy talk.
 
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Was darwin right?

What does this mean for Christians? Does this mean that the theory of Adam and Eve has been proven to be a load of hogwash and that snakes actually can not talk?

You are conflating independent claims. Chrisians have long recognized that Genesis 1-3 are not literal history, but theological stories. The theology is just as valid with evolution as it is in the Babylonian science of the day.

In particular, Adam and Eve are allegory. Allegories have the characters stand for larger groups. In this case the larger group is each and every person.


What about the moses? Does this prove that the jews never was actually able to cross over the bread sea or whatever? ...what is your argument that blokes could actually walk on water and burn their bushes? Should I believe in the christianity or should I believe the evolutionists and become a scientologist like Tom Hanks, John Travolta and Steven Hawkings?

EVOLUTION IS NOT ATHEISM Hawking is an agnostic. All your questions involve instances where God intervened in human history. They are observations of people at the time. There is nothing in evolution, or the rest of science, to say these events did not happen. You either trust the people who related the events, or you don't. If you do, then you have no problem being a Christian. Science will not hinder you.

If you don't, then you will be agnostic or atheist.

BTW, it was God that appeared as a burning bush.
 
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Mother Nature's floods would leave all sorts of evidence behind; but that's because Mother Nature can't clean up after herself as thoroughly.

If God "cleaned up" and erased all evidence of the Flood, then you have turned God into a liar. Perhaps you can worship such an unBiblical and deceptive being (a greater deceiver than Satan!), but the rest of us can't.

Please don't insult God by these tactics to preserve human ego and refuse to admit that a world-wide flood never happened.
 
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Also if I am not sure about what religion I should pick does that make me am I an athiest?
I don't think so. Atheism means not believing in god(s). Is that true of you?

and if so, if I do choose christianity as my religion will being a former athiest grant me a spot in hell because if so I will probably choose jewish or whatever.
Assuming any of these religious tenets are true, their truth doesn't depend on your choices. If the Christian hell exists and you earned your place in it, you're not going to escape it by refusing to believe in it, just as closing your eyes and plugging your ears won't make the train rushing towards you disappear.

Can someone please answer me about who is right followers of jesus and christianity or followers of darwin and scientology? I need to hear some input because I am torn about what I should believe: on one hand you have evolution and sciencetology where they would have you bel;ieve that man came from apes, and that we have in our body these things called xenu or something, etc. and on the other hand christianity you would have to believe that a man was able to walk on water, transform h2o to wine and then into his own blood and makes his friends drink his own blood before he is beaten and locked in a cave where he becomes some sort of zombie / whatnot.

Is there anyone that can answer this for me? I am utterly torn and Jewish is looking to be my best bet as it seems that i would merely have to wear some sort of hat and refrain from eating salt on pork after the sun goes down?
Judging by this, the best thing to do would be to learn what your choice really is. Mind you, I'm not religious, but from what you wrote, you have a simplistic and confused understanding of your options.

(For one thing, scientology has nothing to do with science, let alone evolution.)
 
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Sorry I meant cosmotologists. My parents are forcing me to choose an religion but I am torn between a few of them and I need some answers before I choose. Rifght now II am confused about this darwin article and i have read it like 5 or 6 times and it is pretty lengthy. I know christianity has the better holidays with christmas and easter, but all science has is earth day or some other [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] holidays. But however I like scientology becoz it is based on proven facts and is easier to accept, no leap of faith to make etc. Christianity requires a leap of faith but it is way more badass with all the walking on water and violence/killings/punishment, etc. plus better holidays with gifts. Basically i am looking for some guidance as to what i should choose.
 
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Sorry I meant cosmotologists. My parents are forcing me to choose an religion but I am torn between a few of them and I need some answers before I choose. Rifght now II am confused about this darwin article and i have read it like 5 or 6 times and it is pretty lengthy. I know christianity has the better holidays with christmas and easter, but all science has is earth day or some other [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] holidays. But however I like scientology becoz it is based on proven facts and is easier to accept, no leap of faith to make etc. Christianity requires a leap of faith but it is way more badass with all the walking on water and violence/killings/punishment, etc. plus better holidays with gifts. Basically i am looking for some guidance as to what i should choose.

Go with Judaism. Jews have tons of holidays, plus they control the world and stuff, y'know. Maybe you'll get a piece of the action.
 
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