John 15 is about being both fruitful and being attached to the very source of life, the vine. If our "discipleship" is failing, there will be no fruit, and such branches are unhealthy to the rest of the branches and will be removed from the vine, the source of life and nourishment and cut off and, short of repentance, cast into the fire!
Doug
I understand your "interpretation"
Now show me a SCRIPTURE that says
unfruitful "
sheep" lose their salvation... you cannot.
Remember... some sheep produce thirty-fold
others sixty-fold and some one hundred-fold
Those producing nothing are chastised for sure.
They SUFFER in this life.
But that is not the issue.
The ONLY issue is can you show a SCRIPTURE
showing a saved man losing his salvation?
You cannot... only your opinion of what
being cast into the fire means.
Let me remind you of something...
maybe this will help you understand.
The Last Saints (the Great Tribulation Saints)
The "
wise virgins" of the Great Tribulation "
Kingdom of Heaven"
The Saints living through the Revelation Beast
(1) shall fall by the sword
(2) shall fall by the flame
(3) shall become captive
(4) shall suffer spoil many days
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And yet EVERY ONE of the Last Saints is saved
He loses NONE of His sheep
Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. Dan 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
(1) shall fall by the sword
(2) shall be taken captive
(3) shall be trodden down
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And yet EVERY ONE of the Last Saints is saved
He loses NONE of His sheep
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
(1) shall be subdued
(2) shall be worn out
(3) shall be given into the hand of the Antichrist
(4) shall be plucked up by the roots
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And yet EVERY ONE of the Last Saints is saved
He loses NONE of His sheep
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and
shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
(1) shall give their power and strength to the Beast
(2) shall agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast
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And yet EVERY ONE of the Last Saints is saved
He loses NONE of His sheep
Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
So... when you show me a passage talking about being
thrown into the fire... you have ZERO Biblical validation
for saying that means a lose of salvation. Look at what
the Last Saints (wise virgins of the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" went through)... and yet ALL
of them were saved. They ALL were included in the
Final Harvest into the Marriage
In Revelation 18 the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2] as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen". The "Final Harvest" of Saints, immediately before the destruction of Babylon, is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands the Last Saints to "Come out of her, My people". And Saints are told [v.20] to "rejoice" over the destruction of Babylon for "God hath avenged you on her".
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In Revelation 19 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the False Prophet and Revelations Beast are "cast alive" into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest" immediately before destruction of the "great harlot" [v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17] to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the Great God". Then again [v.9] the "Final Harvest" is shown when the Saints are "called unto the MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb". And once more
we see [v.2] that, when God destroys the Kingdom of "Babylon the Great", He also "hath avenged the blood of His servants".
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In Revelation 11 the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a "great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest" is shown [v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud". Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast. However, this time, the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIME for fulfillment of this event - just before the end of the "Second Woe"... that is important.
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In Daniel 7 the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11] when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest" of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever, even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest" of the Great Tribulation Saints is shown [v.22] when "Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High; and the time came that the Saints possessed the [eternal] Kingdom
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