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If you truly understood Arminian synergism you wouldn't have asked this question, unless you are merely trying to fish for an argument! If that's the case I'm not going to bite. It is one thing to understand but disagree with a point of view, it is quite another to argue against a misrepresentation that !makes your arguments appear the more kosher!
Doug
So am I, so where does that leave us?
Doug
I will show you these SCRIPTURES again in the hope that you can understand that
the command to repent (1) does not mean people do repent or (2) does not mean
they CAN repent
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
As I already said (twice) you intentionally ignoring Scriptures does not
NEGATE the Scripture... and you are contradicting what JESUS said...
(Mk 4 and Jn 10) should we believe YOU or JESUS?
Not true. I said that the command to repent does NOT imply
the ability to repent and gave several Scriptures to support that.
Obviously you do not want to address those Scriptures.
What about those who are NEVER MEANT to believe (or be saved)?
How does that fit into your presupposition?
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
No... you intentionally miss the point of the passage.
God has mercy on who HE decides to have mercy and
God creates some men for mercy and others for destruction.
But... let's just PRETEND that your interpretation is correct.
That would still mean that God NEVER MEANT anyone who
was NOT a JEW in the OT to be saved...
That destroys your argument about a "free offer" to all men.
Did God give Gentiles the "free offer" during the OT days?
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Again it would be unjust for God to punish people in eternal hell fire for failing to meet impossible expectations.
Says the fool in his heart. That’s what the beginning of the quote in psalms 14 and psalms 53 says. The Hebrew word fool can also be translated as the morally deficient or immoral person. This is an immoral person’s perspective on believers. Obviously the scriptures point out quite a few righteous people who were seeking God.
Rahab was a Canaanite and she was counted as being righteous. Ruth was a Moabite and she was counted righteous. Neither of them were Jewish.
Were Jesus’ apostles never meant to repent? Because they didn’t understand the parable either that’s why they asked Him to explain it and that’s why He explained it to the because they had ears to hear. They wanted to know the meaning because they believed. I’ve already explained both of these verses.
I haven’t ignored anything I was simply in a meeting and could only make short replies every so often. So I’ve addressed the verses you quoted so now the ball is in your court. Do you care to address the scriptures I quoted, and by address I mean give an actual explanation of what these verses are saying. So far you haven’t done that yet.
And how does that work if:
Not all men are MEANT or ABLE to believe?
Or do you pretend the Bible does not teach that some men
(most men) were NEVER MEANT to be able to believe?
Seems like a VERY IMPORTANT point in your gospel... No?
Jim
It would be ridiculously pointless for Jesus to command someone to do something that he is incapable of doing.
I don't believe YOUR presupposition. The Bible teaches that people REFUSE to believe.What about those who are NEVER MEANT to believe (or be saved)?
The presuppositions are yours alone.How does that fit into your presupposition?
I've already explained the quote from Isaiah. The red words indicate the result IF IF IF they did see and hear. But they have "closed their (own) eyes".Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
And I've explained this verse as well. The verse about HOW to become one of Jesus' sheep is found in v.9 - I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.They will come in and go out, and find pasture.Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
You need to QUIT saying that Jesus says people are not able to repent/believe. Because Mark 4:11 doesn't say what you keep claiming.And yet the COMMAND goes out to repent and believe
and JESUS says people are not able:
Do not defend your theology...
Refuse to explain WHAT is misrepresented.
1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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No... you intentionally miss the point of the passage.
God has mercy on who HE decides to have mercy and
God creates some men for mercy and others for destruction.
Do not defend your theology...
Refuse to explain WHAT is misrepresented.
1Pe_3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
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You may deem God's salvation plan "unjust".
And yet the COMMAND goes out to repent and believe
and JESUS says people are not able:
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Apparently you think Jesus is "ridiculously pointless" and "unjust"
and, therefore, you refuse to accept HIS WORDS.
I understand.
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