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I’ll address any scripture you want.
I already addressed Rev 2:20-21
Did you not read my words - or did you not LIKE them?
I will show you these SCRIPTURES again in the hope that you can understand that
the command to repent (1) does not mean people do repent or (2) does not mean
they CAN repent
Likewise, Romans 2:4-5 does not show all men can repent
You can continue to cite those to passages all day long....
but they do NOT PROVE what you want them to prove.
Now... how about you stop INTENTIONALLY IGNORING these passages?
Which DO PROVE (if we dare to believe Jesus) that not all men are MEANT to repent.
(1) They DO NOT repent:
Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
(2) They were NEVER MEANT to repent
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable;
there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
As I already said (twice) you intentionally ignoring Scriptures does not
NEGATE the Scripture... and you are contradicting what JESUS said...
(Mk 4 and Jn 10) should we believe YOU or JESUS?
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Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Faith as a word is a noun. And God doesn't give verbs. Faith in the quote about being a gift means that the WRITTEN WORD is the gift. That is our faith.If you argue that belief/faith/trust is generated by man then you contradict the Bible that teaches (1) it is a GIFT of God and (2) it is NOT MEANT for most people
Using "generate" in regard to believing is very poor choice of words. Believing is a thought, actually, and comes from the heart. The Bible says so.Now, you can IGNORE that belief/faith/trust is a GIFT upon regeneration and NOT something that man can generate (a "work")
One can ignore your claim ONLY IF IF IF you provide Scripture that says anyone was "never meant" to believe.and you can IGNORE that most people were NEVER MEANT to have belief/faith/trust... but that is just you ignoring Scripture.
Yes. No.(3) Can all men believe? Or are some men NEVER MEANT to believe?
I noticed that you never mentioned them. So why would I address what you didn't mention?(1) I noticed you IGNORED Mark 4:11-12 and John 10:26...
If this is a question, then the obvious answer is of course NOT!Maybe you would like to ADDRESS those Scriptures instead of IGNORE them
because they contradict your presupposition?
Again, how can it be "intentional" when you didn't bring up the verses?You see..... when you intentionally IGNORE Scripture that contradicts your presupposition, that does not NEGATE the Scripture... it PROVES your theology incorrect.
While you erroneously think the red words support your "eeny meeny miny mo" theology about salvation, the red words simply state the RESULT of actually hearing and seeing the truth. They WOULD be converted.Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery
of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done
in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear,
and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins
should be forgiven them.
OK, so what? Because YOU ignore v.9 you can't see the truth, and you are putting the cart before the horse.
Who said they are? Just you, and anyone else confused on the matter.(2) If you believe that Christ PAID for the sins of everyone born...
then WHY are the people in Mark 4:11 and John 10:26 paying for their OWN sins?
Correct. What you are confused about is that people will be cast into the lake of fire for their sins. Where do you get that from?No sin must be paid TWICE.
Read my explanation again.Read Mark 4:11-12 again
Read John 10:26 again
It is NOT clear. In fact, not only is it "not clear", it very clearly DOESN'T say what you think it says. As I explained.It is clear that JESUS (not Calvin) said these men were NEVER MEANT to be saved.
Well, you are quite mistaken. Jesus obviously was no Calvinist. He died for everyone.If I am not mistaken, it was JESUS who said Mark 4:11-12 and John 10:26...
was JESUS a "Calvinist"?
Because Titus 2:11 says salvation is for everyone. That is an offer, since salvation is a gift of God.You keep saying the "offer is to everyone"
Didn't you read that Noah preached for 120 years before the flood came? Of course it was.(1) was the "offer" to all those destroyed in the flood... or ONLY to Noah and family?
Same answer, yes. And they rejected the offer.(2) was the "offer" to all those destroyed in Sodom... or ONLY to Lot and family?
God's offer is to everyone, all the time. Again, Titus 2:11 refutes your opinions.(3) was the "offer" to all NON-JEWS in the OT.... or ONLY to some Jews?
Yes, of course it was. The tares and goats rejected the gift. Obviously.(4) was the "offer" to unsaved "tares/goats" in the NT, sown by Satan and destined to the SAME FIRE as Satan [Mat 25:41]... or only to the saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God and destined to eternal life?
The verses do NOT quote Jesus as saying anyone was "never meant to be converted". That is only your opinion.(5) was the "offer" to those in Mark 4:11-12 who JESUS said were NEVER MEANT to be converted or have their sins forgiven?
We should always believe Jesus and NEVER believe YOU.Should we believe YOU or JESUS?
From v.9 and Titus 2:11, it is obvious they rejected the offer.(5) was the "offer" to those in John 10:26 who JESUS said were NOT His sheep?
Again, we should always believe JESUS and never believe YOU.Should we believe YOU or JESUS?
There are NO verses that tell us that anyone wasn't "meant to repent". That's just an imagination for those who think so.Now... how about you stop INTENTIONALLY IGNORING these passages?
Which DO PROVE (if we dare to believe Jesus) that not all men are MEANT to repent.
(1) They DO NOT repent:
Since it is apparent that you are unfamiliar with Scripture, I'll provide Scripture that proves that men IS ABLE to repent.They do NOT prove people can repent even when commanded
No, none of the verses you quote prove what you claim. You just aren't reading (understanding the verses) them correctly. You are ASSUMING they mean what you claim, but they sure don't SAY what you claim they do.On the other hand I have given you verses that DO PROVE some mean were NEVER MEANT to repent... and you just ignore them.
About your reading skills, yes.That speaks volumes.
Are some men NEVER MEANT to be saved?
Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Here, God has answered you directly:
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
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Was Jezebel regenerated? Why not?Thank you for expressing your personal "feelings".
Now,
What SCRIPTURE teaches we "must cooperated" to be regenerated.
Please provide chapter and verse
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You keep saying the "offer is to everyone"
(1) was the "offer" to all those destroyed in the flood... or ONLY to Noah and family?
(2) was the "offer" to all those destroyed in Sodom... or ONLY to Lot and family?
(3) was the "offer" to all NON-JEWS in the OT.... or ONLY to some Jews?
(4) was the "offer" to unsaved "tares/goats" in the NT, sown by Satan and destined to the
SAME FIRE as Satan [Mat 25:41]... or only to the saved "wheat/sheep" sown by God
and destined to eternal life?
(5) was the "offer" to those in Mark 4:11-12 who JESUS said were NEVER MEANT
to be converted or have their sins forgiven? Should we believe YOU or JESUS?
(5) was the "offer" to those in John 10:26 who JESUS said were NOT His sheep?
Should we believe YOU or JESUS?
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This is a fallacy; that God chooses people for salvation, and that without any condition. Faith has always been THE condition for who God chooses to save.Paul is explaining why God originally chose the Israelites for salvation and has now turned towards the Gentiles.
You never actually addressed Revelation 2:20-21 or Romans 2:4-5 you simply dismissed them by saying that not all men are meant to repent. That’s not addressing them that’s dismissing them.
1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
This is a choice. God chooses to save "those who believe". The Calvinists would have you believe that God chooses WHO WILL BELIEVE. But He doesn't.
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The offer has always been for everyone. .
Was Jezebel regenerated? Why not?
And how (exactly) is it a strawman?
You miss the point of the message. Paul is explaining why God originally chose the Israelites for salvation and has now turned towards the Gentiles. That’s clearly revealed in the following verses.
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