I´m a cherry picker. I try to take the best parts of the philosophies and metaphysical views I am introduced to.
There´s only one reason why I find that good: It works for me.
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I´m a cherry picker. I try to take the best parts of the philosophies and metaphysical views I am introduced to.Please describe shortly what is "your way", like "I'm atheist/Christian/theist" and state 5 reasons why it's a good way.
I am an agnostic atheist.
I do not claim to have all the answers.
1) Since I make no such claim I can see that which is good in other views, including those of many theists, even Christians.
2) Claiming no god I have no problems because my god demands or has demanded that I consider evil
3) Not being tied to any god I can find the good in all faiths, and can profit by the one good thing in a faith that is otherwise a cesspit.
4) Claiming no divine guidance I can admit my understanding as a child was incomplete or even wrong.
5) If the Christian God is real it will be amusing when I fare better than most Christians if I face his judgment.
My way is Eastern Orthodoxy. Why do I consider my "way" good?
1. It praises the one true God: The Holy Trinity.
2. My church was founded by Christ and His apostles 2000 years ago, and it has remained unchanged since then, being the Church from the beginning.
3. It has a golden tradition, a priceless treasure of teachings taught by hundreds of saints throughout the history, people who dedicated their whole life to Christ and is still leading millions of people to salvation nowadays.
4. It has a response to everything because all the responses were given by God. I know were we come from and how will we end, and what do we have to do to inherit eternal life through Christ.
5. It stays unchanged. Society didn't change the church, in its whole history a lot of atrocities happened to her, the muslims, the roman-catholics, the communists and their militant atheism but they didn't destroyed her. In this century where we think don't know what's true or what isn't, attacked by secularism and depravation, in the Orthodox Church of Christ we find a holy sanctuary, where you find peace and where the evil can't enter. You are home.
I've considered that possiblity too.
To name something: visions, voices, phenomenons, stuff like that. Not willing to go into very much detail in this context.
I'm aware of that. I meant it in sense of general attitude rather than in any particular opinion, hence word "spirit".
Only if you mean it.
I've been thinking that many times when reading keith99's posts before aswell, that's why I wanted to mention it. It was intended as compliment for keith99, not mainly as attack against all others. That was only the secondary purpose
Yeah, thats one way of seeing it. I'm familiar with some religious carbage myself. But I really dunno what to make of it, it's not like I can stop it from happening anyways.
I have a question Paradoxum, and usually wouldn't necessarily pursue an answer but this is interesting.
Why did you present your reasons for 1. and 4. as direct oppositions to religion ( esp Christianity with 4. ), rather than on their own merits ?
Paradoxum. I know it is hard for you to understand what I have said and why do I consider my way good because you barely have knowledge about what life in Christ means, the sacraments, the presence of Him in the Liturgy and some other sacred moments that happens in the Church. It is hard for you because you said "religion" and what "religion" means in a bad term, in the term in which you consider all "religions" to be the same. And no, not everybody who follows Christ is a christian, since now you are a humanist, I doubt that you have ever been a christian for real, if you were, if Christ were in you and you were in Christ, you wouldn't have left Him
I am sorry if my comment seems rude, it is not my intention at all.
I used to love God, and it broke my heart to lose faith.
Well those are rather vague. Those could range from bad interpretations of events we all experience, to a psychological problem (or real spirits).
Can you tell me any specifics? What kind of 'vision'? In what way did you hear 'voices'?
I don't see how a spirit of tolerance means emphasizing good things (if you think the bad are more important). You can hate something and be tolerant of it. So I don't think 'tolerance' is the right word.
I think religious negatives can be stopped by trying to do away with religion.
I've addressed this before with you Paradoxum, I'm sure and we didn't get to the bottom of who you perceived Yahweh is. Which Church doctrines did you follow ?And there is no true Scotsman... I find it hard to take you seriously if you wont take my former faith seriously.
I used to love God, and it broke my heart to lose faith. I often cried and begged God to help me as I felt my faith slipping.
I was a Christian, so those things have affected my life, I suppose. And I think religion does unnecessarily harm.
I've addressed this before with you Paradoxum, I'm sure and we didn't get to the bottom of who you perceived Yahweh is. Which Church doctrines did you follow ?
1. Were you eternal punishment for the wicked ?
2. Were you immortality of the soul ?
3. Did you understand how Yahweh presents Himself to humans ?
It's vital to understand Yahweh's character to know Him.
I think this may stem from an incorrect understanding of Yahweh and His character. Not necessarily though it could simply be rebellion, too.
Paradoxum. I know it is hard for you to understand what I have said and why do I consider my way good because you barely have knowledge about what life in Christ means, the sacraments, the presence of Him in the Liturgy and some other sacred moments that happens in the Church. It is hard for you because you said "religion" and what "religion" means in a bad term, in the term in which you consider all "religions" to be the same. And no, not everybody who follows Christ is a christian, since now you are a humanist, I doubt that you have ever been a christian for real, if you were, if Christ were in you and you were in Christ, you wouldn't have left Him
I am sorry if my comment seems rude, it is not my intention at all.
Or it could be that she, like many former believers, examined her religious beliefs closely and found that there was insufficient reason to continue believing. Why is that possibility almost always ignored? It's always pinned down to rebellion or not being a good enough Christian. Perhaps the problem isn't with Paradoxum, but with the religion she left behind.
I have before attempted to gain your understanding of Yahweh's character etc, as well, and have noticed an incorrect understanding of scripture is common in "ex Christians."
Was your church group immotal soul/ eternal punishment of the wicked etc ?
I will warn you again Archaeopteryx if our conversation falls into the usual poor communication it will be brief.
I don't care what you consider to be a "correct understanding of Yahweh's character." I had my own understanding as a Christian, and whether you appraise it as right or wrong is of no concern to me.
I was a Catholic.
You are confusing poor communication for poor reasoning (on your part): you seem to be unable (or unwilling) to even admit the mere possibility that you could be wrong about anything.
There is no subjectiveness in Yahweh's character ie. we don't get to choose this.
Catholic doctrine is very poor
You are wrong about me, and doing the usual ad hominem fallacies.
Where did I imply that I believed we get to choose his character? I said no such thing.
As I said previously, I don't care for your opinion on what constitutes good doctrine, even if you happen to think your opinion is equivalent to Yahweh's.
My appraisal is based on past interactions where you could not admit even a hint of fallibilism regarding your religious beliefs. Please review the definition of an ad hominem.
Out of interest: How did/do you manage to bypass your own understanding when trying to, well, understand stuff?You said you had your own understanding, as a Christian. This implies you trusted your own understanding, which appears to be incorrect.
Out of interest: How did/do you manage to bypass your own understanding when trying to, well, understand stuff?
Sounds to me like your own understanding is involved in all these processes.Through investigation and interrogation, and particularly allowing scripture to interpret itself without allowing preconceptions to interfere with good exegesis, as most religious groups do esp. Catholic.
Ah yes, appeal to ones own"Born Againness" - I forgot.Also it's vital to bring all doctrine into cohenency with Yahweh's character which is revealed through scripture, and the Holy Spirit once Born Again.
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