Teens Forum

[Atlantians]

If you have overlapping ages, that achieves the same effect as having the 13-16 and 17-25/28 forums. So either create two age forums, or change the ages and have overlap.

ok do you mean in like two new separate forums, or under the banner of teens.

I like the idea of a CO forum as a SUB-FORUM to the main forums.

Does that fully answer your question or was there more?

 

[meh]

no, that was it

 

[meh]

I am not openly emotional but I will tell you with tears in my eyes that if it were not for someone in university, on this board, telling me that things are really different and that highschool doesn't set the course of your life (or something very significant), I would be in a very bad place now. Such a fact may be painfully obvious to those of us who have not followed stereotypical routes, but it is as alien to many of us as much as raising a child is alien to many new parents.

I mean to respond to this. I do understand. I didn't like school and I was bullied non-stop. So I do understand if an older person hadn't said that will end it would have been extremely hard for me to carry on.

 

[meh]

Ok, i'm going to bed. see you all tomorrow.

 

[Perceivence]

To the idea of having a sub-forum in Society for the political/ethical debates- that's an interesting idea. Was there a proposal about this before that had some more details?

I am not sure if it ended up being an official proposal or just an idea we discussed briefly. I know that I was discussing it with Ron (I think) at one point. It was quite a while ago though and didn't go ahead due to the low staff numbers in the society area who wouldn't be able to handle another forum. I think most of it was on MSN or possibly in the staff forums but I can try to find anything that might still be on my computer if you like.

What happened to the Serious Stuff subforum?

 

[bubblefish]

It was still in existence, especially since the plan for this never went ahead but we were looking at moving Serious Stuff to the Society area of the board with a link from teens. The forum would remain pretty much the same (only teens up to 21 allowed, discussing serious issues) but would be moderated by a team that is used to moderating debates and would also remove it from the general teen area where parents were concerned about their young children seeing those kinds of debates.

 

[Tonks]

It was still in existence, especially since the plan for this never went ahead but we were looking at moving Serious Stuff to the Society area of the board with a link from teens. The forum would remain pretty much the same (only teens up to 21 allowed, discussing serious issues) but would be moderated by a team that is used to moderating debates and would also remove it from the general teen area where parents were concerned about their young children seeing those kinds of debates.

Something like that, I believe.

 

[K9_Trainer]

I agree with a CO SUBforum. For all ages, only Christians maybe? Then if parents are still concerned about older people, then a CO subforum (or non CO, whichever you'd like) for those 15 and under?

Then I agree with merging Young Adult and College, and making the age restriction 17 to 25 or 28 or so. Perhaps a CO section there as well. And some kind of link to a special society forum for serious issues would be awesome.

The teens love the non Christians. We appreciate a CO section, but believe it's important to mingle with them and love them, just as Jesus would. What it boils down to is respect. We do get some who harass people and disrespect Christians and Christianity...But the same could be said for some "Christians" we've had on the board.

 

[Atlantians]

It was still in existence, especially since the plan for this never went ahead but we were looking at moving Serious Stuff to the Society area of the board with a link from teens. The forum would remain pretty much the same (only teens up to 21 allowed, discussing serious issues) but would be moderated by a team that is used to moderating debates and would also remove it from the general teen area where parents were concerned about their young children seeing those kinds of debates.

That is a great idea!

I would like to point out though: I AM NOT A TEEN!
I am 20. Me no more teen. Me mature manly man!

I agree with a CO SUBforum. For all ages, only Christians maybe? Then if parents are still concerned about older people, then a CO subforum (or non CO, whichever you'd like) for those 15 and under?

Then I agree with merging Young Adult and College, and making the age restriction 17 to 25 or 28 or so. Perhaps a CO section there as well. And some kind of link to a special society forum for serious issues would be awesome.

The teens love the non Christians. We appreciate a CO section, but believe it's important to mingle with them and love them, just as Jesus would. What it boils down to is respect. We do get some who harass people and disrespect Christians and Christianity...But the same could be said for some "Christians" we've had on the board.

Agreed entirely.

 

[meh]

ok....my responses here are going to slow down considerably. it can stay open and you're welcome to keep posting, but i'm going to focus my time now, and the other advisors, on actually talking about the teens issue and working towards decisions. as soon as we have any news or updates, we'll post. It might be within days, or it might be a week or more.

 

[icarusforde]

Ok, i've been away since yesterday, so i've read the last five pages i think it was, and i just have a few little ideas.

Teens as it was - it was a great place. Yes, there were a few problems in it, but nothing that was terrible.

Age Limits:
The name of the forum, Teens, is the key here. It needs to be encompassing of this - anything with a teen on the end of it is still a teen - 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19. From your thirteenth birthday till the day before your 20th, you are a teen. I think the age limit needs to be lowered, but not as far as 18, since 19 is still a teen. So, an age limit of 13-19 would be brilliant.

Christians Only:
A christian only subforum would be a great idea. IMHO, its one of the best ones put forward in this thread - it is practical, it solves a lot of problems, it satisfies the need for a christian only area and could have the biblical advice forum moved into it as sub forum within the CO area. This also means that the advice area becomes a christian only place.

CO Tags:
If we were to impliment the CO subforum, these would be unceccessary - its always been awkward for us as staff when people report posts from non christians in a CO tagged thread, cause we cant do anything - its just a courtesy rule. There is nothing attatched to them.

Advisors:
We love you, and thanks so much for everything that you do.

 

[S53]

Icarus, we've cried for a CO forum for a long time. Maybe now that over 100 active members are gone, they'll listen.

 

[meh]

That's odd. We faced significant opposition from a few members of the teen area when we brought up having a CO area :/

 

[S53]

Those were the non-Christians who said it would never work. As I recall, the majority of us wanted one. A lot. In the end, the CO tags were settled on. But like someone stated earlier, once it was found out that the rule wasn't official, no one listened to it.

 

[broken_one]

Those were the non-Christians who said it would never work. As I recall, the majority of us wanted one. A lot. In the end, the CO tags were settled on. But like someone stated earlier, once it was found out that the rule wasn't official, no one listened to it.

As I recall, you people were in the minority, and others, who were Christians, not Non-Christians, pointed out why it wasn't going to work.

All that was needed was some enforcement of the CO rule (which worked pretty well, by the way) and there would have been no problems. And even then, the offenders would leave if they were asked to. It was not a story of "non-Christians running amok", but rather of people obeying the rules like they were supposed to, and those who weren't were scolded. To think that even a small minority of atheists were posting in CO threads is absolutely ludicrous and a total fabrication. If that happened, it was maybe once or twice in a long time, not all the time, not regularly, nothing of that sort.

But some people are not satisfied with the "atheist menace" stuck on the outside of the thread, they wanted them gone entirely. And myself and others have routinely pointed out the flaws of this idea, and good reasoning people (such as yourself, meh ) have always seen the logic and truth to our arguments and decided in our favor.

We only humbly suggest that you, dear administrators, remember all of our arguments presented from this thread and the many before like it, and use logic, good reason, and faith in God to come to a fair and honest decision, like I am sure you will.

 

[Atlantians]

As I recall, you people were in the minority, and others, who were Christians, not Non-Christians, pointed out why it wasn't going to work.

All that was needed was some enforcement of the CO rule (which worked pretty well, by the way) and there would have been no problems. And even then, the offenders would leave if they were asked to. It was not a story of "non-Christians running amok", but rather of people obeying the rules like they were supposed to, and those who weren't were scolded. To think that even a small minority of atheists were posting in CO threads is absolutely ludicrous and a total fabrication. If that happened, it was maybe once or twice in a long time, not all the time, not regularly, nothing of that sort.

But some people are not satisfied with the "atheist menace" stuck on the outside of the thread, they wanted them gone entirely. And myself and others have routinely pointed out the flaws of this idea, and good reasoning people (such as yourself, meh ) have always seen the logic and truth to our arguments and decided in our favor.


We only humbly suggest that you, dear administrators, remember all of our arguments presented from this thread and the many before like it, and use logic, good reason, and faith in God to come to a fair and honest decision, like I am sure you will.

I have to address this post because it used several debating techniques that trouble me:

To think that even a small minority of atheists were posting in CO threads is absolutely ludicrous and a total fabrication. If that happened, it was maybe once or twice in a long time, not all the time, not regularly, nothing of that sort.

You and S53 just disagreed over the facts from memory, yet you decided to go further and say what he was saying was a complete fabrication and completely ludicrous?

That is very strong language and it bothers me that you would chose to do so on this topic.

But some people are not satisfied with the "atheist menace" stuck on the outside of the thread, they wanted them gone entirely.

I was one of them, mind you, that wanted the entire forum as Christian Only.
I had always advocated thus. S58 was not suggesting this.

And myself and others have routinely pointed out the flaws of this idea, and good reasoning people (such as yourself, meh ) have always seen the logic and truth to our arguments and decided in our favor.

Now this makes little sense to me. You are utilizing very strong rhetoric on what appears to be an unimportant topic. Why?
Then you said:
"and good reasoning people (such as yourself, meh ) have always seen the logic and truth to our arguments"
Why is this so important to you?
And why are you trying to convince the Adviser to agree with you by, quite frankly, appealing to an ego or something? Why is that necessary?
This is very strong rhetoric. That is why it is bothering me.

I am just trying to understand why such strong language and rhetoric was necessary on a relatively unimportant topic.

We only humbly suggest that you, dear administrators, remember all of our arguments presented from this thread and the many before like it, and use logic, good reason, and faith in God to come to a fair and honest decision, like I am sure you will.

You just defined in your previous paragraph a "logical well reasoned and faithful" position would be the one you hold.

That implies that if anyone disagrees with you, they are illogical, irrational, and without faith.

Why is such rhetoric neccessary on this issue?

And why are you talking to the Advisers in a way that sounds like you are trying to "butter them up"? That is kinda odd and bothers me greatly.

 

[icarusforde]

Please do not turn this into a personal attack thread, or I will close it again and place it back under staff supervision.

 

[Atlantians]

It was not a person attack at all!

I was asking why the issue was so important to him and asked why he was using very strong rhetoric and complimenting the advisers in unusual ways as if to gain favour all on a topic that seemed to be rather inconsequential.

It bothered me and seemed odd that someone would respond to a single sentence about a rather odd off-topic suggestion with 3 paragraphs of intense language.

 

[S53]

As I recall, you people were in the minority, and others, who were Christians, not Non-Christians, pointed out why it wasn't going to work.

All that was needed was some enforcement of the CO rule (which worked pretty well, by the way) and there would have been no problems. And even then, the offenders would leave if they were asked to. It was not a story of "non-Christians running amok", but rather of people obeying the rules like they were supposed to, and those who weren't were scolded. To think that even a small minority of atheists were posting in CO threads is absolutely ludicrous and a total fabrication. If that happened, it was maybe once or twice in a long time, not all the time, not regularly, nothing of that sort.

But some people are not satisfied with the "atheist menace" stuck on the outside of the thread, they wanted them gone entirely. And myself and others have routinely pointed out the flaws of this idea, and good reasoning people (such as yourself, meh ) have always seen the logic and truth to our arguments and decided in our favor.

We only humbly suggest that you, dear administrators, remember all of our arguments presented from this thread and the many before like it, and use logic, good reason, and faith in God to come to a fair and honest decision, like I am sure you will.

Whatever. I disagree. It's not a big deal, I just said it would be nice that the administration would consider another CO Forum after this ordeal. Which may have even prevented the "alleged" parent's complaints. As for "total fabrication". Well.

That's just being mean.

 

[Atlantians]

Entirely Agreed.

Which is why I asked why all that was neccessary and why he was talking that way about this side-issue.

When CF Teens was Christian Only entirely it worked well for the most part.

Having a CO fellowship sub-forum would be pretty cool. And having the Teen Serious Topics be a link to the Ethics and Debate section would also be pretty good I think.