Teens Forum

[S53]

Okay. Thanks for putting the effort in, meh.

 

[Criada]

Thank you for agreeing to the compromise.

 

[Zoness]

Edit: Figured out what happened. I'm keeping to myself to prevent further provocation...

 

[Apollo Celestio]

This has been useful for me. I can talk to the teens again. Eh, I just got out of the teens forum as my 22nd was at the end of last month. You have to realize what that environment was compared to the rest of the internet. Nobody is safe. It worked when it was 13-21. Just ban the undesirables.

 

[The Julikenz]

I would love there to be a new forum for the overlap, say 17-25. It would draw in those who were here a couple years ago before turning 21.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

17-25 is young adults. Well, it's good that the 19 year olds can stay at least. But I doubt the "teen" is what initiated all this..

 

[ChristInAction]

I don't know all the facts about what happened, because I dont come on here very often much anymore. But just because some youth have acted in a way that has been decided as unaceptable by the old mods, doesn't mean we all should be punnished. It feels as though noone wants anything to do with any of us. Which is pretty much all I've ever felt on this forum. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But this will probably one of the last time I vist this forum.

 

[meh]

I've written and deleted this twice. I should not post it. But I'm going to. I'm very tired and I'm very grouchy.

The voting was not a good idea. I should have thought more about the position it put you in. I was trying to let you have a say as the thing was a compromise born out of people who wanted the age cut-off at 18 full stop, and those that were willing to go to 19 but didn't like the common area thing. As the night went on, it got more and more uncomfortable with the polling and stuff and I finally asked the advisors if we could please just go with 19 with a common area.

The part I shouldn't say but am going to say and said in staff forums earlier is I'm having less and less patience and sympathy for parents who want CF to take all the responsibility for what their kids run into and do on CF. The board does what it can. After that, it's your parents job. It's not my job to police your internet activity. If parents don't know what their kids are doing online, again- not my problem. We do what we can and we try to do it the best we can. But at some point parents just have to do this stuff themselves. IMO.

 

[dluvs2trvl]

meh...thank you for all your hardwork and for the hardwork of the advisors. I agree with your point about there only being so much CF can do and the rest is up to the parents.

Personally, I think that the discussion here has gone on long enough and that you and the advisors have more than enough information and input to make the best decision that you can and to make the changes in the most accommodating and appropriate of ways.

You have my full support in whatever you do

 

[Mankin]

Thanks for the effort meh. I still don't agree with the action taken so I probably won't be returning to CFT.

Thanks anyway.

 

[Zoness]

I've written and deleted this twice. I should not post it. But I'm going to. I'm very tired and I'm very grouchy.

The voting was not a good idea. I should have thought more about the position it put you in. I was trying to let you have a say as the thing was a compromise born out of people who wanted the age cut-off at 18 full stop, and those that were willing to go to 19 but didn't like the common area thing. As the night went on, it got more and more uncomfortable with the polling and stuff and I finally asked the advisors if we could please just go with 19 with a common area.

The part I shouldn't say but am going to say and said in staff forums earlier is I'm having less and less patience and sympathy for parents who want CF to take all the responsibility for what their kids run into and do on CF. The board does what it can. After that, it's your parents job. It's not my job to police your internet activity. If parents don't know what their kids are doing online, again- not my problem. We do what we can and we try to do it the best we can. But at some point parents just have to do this stuff themselves. IMO.

This is my favorite post ever.

Thanks for at least trying your hardest to work with us, it is very frustrating because none of these people will show their faces and defend their positions and they are making you and the other mods in this thread defend their positions, talk about childish.

Again, thanks for your help up to this point.

 

[Justin.Parton]

Ive Got a Question..

Ive been gone for some time, yes there is life outside of CF


if you begin to drop the age limit to 19, then how is it possible to have a good outcome in the teen forums.

might i quote a scripture?

Luke 6:39
He further told them [ae]a proverb: Can a blind [man] guide and direct a blind [man]? Will they not both stumble into a ditch or a [af]hole in the ground?

From what i understand about teen forums. which may be limited in some areas because i dont sniff around. Moderators can only be in the same age limit as the rules of that catagory specify.

Ive been in the teen forums, what ends up happening is people give their opinion as to what the right answer is , not having wisdom, and not using knowledge they read the scripture and relate it to what their beliefe is. im not pointing fingers at the moderators for their job, but there is a reason why youth pastors are older than the youth, there has to be some wisdom and knowledge, otherwise it would be no different than any other forums on the website.

I beleive that the moderators should be older than the teens. I know this forums was designed orignally so that people would grow and mature in christ. but the only way to do that is to learn from the wise generation, not stick abunch of teens with teen moderators who at that point in their life dont know the right answer either?

I believe the age limit should only affect the members not the moderators.

The whole reason why this( teen forums shut down temporarily ) happened is because you chose teenagers to be moderators, you can hate me all you want but its the truth. It doesnt work that way, they felt the same way as the members did. which is why the information didnt get taken down, which is why you people are trying to secure everything again.

You need people that are wise in God to be moderators in that forums, those that seek after gods approval, not the members. Especially in the Teen forums

 

[E.C.]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I've seen a couple posts from the past few pages that immediately stuck out.

Ive been in the teen forums, what ends up happening is people give their opinion as to what the right answer is , not having wisdom, and not using knowledge they read the scripture and relate it to what their beliefe is. im not pointing fingers at the moderators for their job, but there is a reason why youth pastors are older than the youth, there has to be some wisdom and knowledge, otherwise it would be no different than any other forums on the website.

I beleive that the moderators should be older than the teens. I know this forums was designed orignally so that people would grow and mature in christ. but the only way to do that is to learn from the wise generation, not stick abunch of teens with teen moderators who at that point in their life dont know the right answer either?

I believe the age limit should only affect the members not the moderators.

The whole reason why this( teen forums shut down temporarily ) happened is because you chose teenagers to be moderators, you can hate me all you want but its the truth. It doesnt work that way, they felt the same way as the members did. which is why the information didnt get taken down, which is why you people are trying to secure everything again.

You need people that are wise in God to be moderators in that forums, those that seek after gods approval, not the members. Especially in the Teen forums

From what I've seen there will be a "common area" for people up until they are nineteen.

This post is exactly why it should remain to the twenty or twenty-one limit it was. People that are twenty can still speak the language of teenager and are beginning to acquire a bit of wisdom that they can share with teenagers without sounding like some old curmudgeon who sits on his porch griping all day.

I've written and deleted this twice. I should not post it. But I'm going to. I'm very tired and I'm very grouchy.

The voting was not a good idea. I should have thought more about the position it put you in. I was trying to let you have a say as the thing was a compromise born out of people who wanted the age cut-off at 18 full stop, and those that were willing to go to 19 but didn't like the common area thing. As the night went on, it got more and more uncomfortable with the polling and stuff and I finally asked the advisors if we could please just go with 19 with a common area.

The part I shouldn't say but am going to say and said in staff forums earlier is I'm having less and less patience and sympathy for parents who want CF to take all the responsibility for what their kids run into and do on CF. The board does what it can. After that, it's your parents job. It's not my job to police your internet activity. If parents don't know what their kids are doing online, again- not my problem. We do what we can and we try to do it the best we can. But at some point parents just have to do this stuff themselves. IMO.

That is very true, especially that last part.

Granted, I don't know exactly all the stuff behind parents blaming CF (or so it sounds like that), but having read that second paragraph I just have to ask:
How can parents expect their children to be accountable when they themselves do not hold their own children to be accountable?








For the record, I was not here when the lights went out in Georgia. Sorry.

 

[Nilla]

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't know the whole structure about how the teens moderating staff will be yet but I think I can say that there will be supervision by someone who's older then a teen.

 

[Tonks]

I beleive that the moderators should be older than the teens. I know this forums was designed orignally so that people would grow and mature in christ. but the only way to do that is to learn from the wise generation, not stick abunch of teens with teen moderators who at that point in their life dont know the right answer either?

I believe the age limit should only affect the members not the moderators.

I believe that this is going to be the case though I'm not 100% sure as I've been working on other things and haven't kept up with the entire teens discussions. I know that a mix is important to me.

 

[CrazyPerson]

I am going to respecutfully agree and disagree with some things here.

Ive Got a Question..

Ive been gone for some time, yes there is life outside of CF


if you begin to drop the age limit to 19, then how is it possible to have a good outcome in the teen forums.

might i quote a scripture?

Luke 6:39
He further told them [ae]a proverb: Can a blind [man] guide and direct a blind [man]? Will they not both stumble into a ditch or a [af]hole in the ground?

Very good point that I have no idea why I didn't thin of. The older teens have at times been able to guide the younger ones, and give them the scriptures they need.

From what i understand about teen forums. which may be limited in some areas because i dont sniff around. Moderators can only be in the same age limit as the rules of that category specify.

Ive been in the teen forums, what ends up happening is people give their opinion as to what the right answer is , not having wisdom, and not using knowledge they read the scripture and relate it to what their beliefe is. im not pointing fingers at the moderators for their job, but there is a reason why youth pastors are older than the youth, there has to be some wisdom and knowledge, otherwise it would be no different than any other forums on the website.

I believe that the moderators should be older than the teens. I know this forums was designed originally so that people would grow and mature in Christ. but the only way to do that is to learn from the wise generation, not stick a bunch of teens with teen moderators who at that point in their life don't know the right answer either?

I believe the age limit should only affect the members not the moderators.

The teens trust the members because of the online relationship that was built... and the fun they also have. that's what was good about the forum, always some just for fun threads, yet the same people could jump into a serious advice giving thread and pull out there bibles to help the one in need. Throwing a few mods in there is not going to do much... the trust level wont be there.

The whole reason why this( teen forums shut down temporarily ) happened is because you chose teenagers to be moderators, you can hate me all you want but its the truth. It doesnt work that way, they felt the same way as the members did. which is why the information didnt get taken down, which is why you people are trying to secure everything again.
[/quteo]
The mod that leaked it, was trying to do everyone a favor... things blew up from there,

You need people that are wise in God to be moderators in that forums, those that seek after gods approval, not the members. Especially in the Teen forums

Some of the members there are excellent advice givers and even if they don't have book chapter:versus its rooted in the bible. Do not think less of them just because they are young.

I haven't read the whole thread and I don't know the whole structure about how the teens moderating staff will be yet but I think I can say that there will be supervision by someone who's older then a teen.

I can agree with supervision, but saying that the teens section should be turned into a "get advice from an older person who has no relationship with you what so ever" section is not what i want to see. (note this was not implied by Nilla but by some other posts that were suggesting the mods be older)

 

[icarusforde]

I've written and deleted this twice. I should not post it. But I'm going to. I'm very tired and I'm very grouchy.

The voting was not a good idea. I should have thought more about the position it put you in. I was trying to let you have a say as the thing was a compromise born out of people who wanted the age cut-off at 18 full stop, and those that were willing to go to 19 but didn't like the common area thing. As the night went on, it got more and more uncomfortable with the polling and stuff and I finally asked the advisors if we could please just go with 19 with a common area.

The part I shouldn't say but am going to say and said in staff forums earlier is I'm having less and less patience and sympathy for parents who want CF to take all the responsibility for what their kids run into and do on CF. The board does what it can. After that, it's your parents job. It's not my job to police your internet activity. If parents don't know what their kids are doing online, again- not my problem. We do what we can and we try to do it the best we can. But at some point parents just have to do this stuff themselves. IMO.

So true. Thanks meh.

Ive Got a Question..

Ive been gone for some time, yes there is life outside of CF


if you begin to drop the age limit to 19, then how is it possible to have a good outcome in the teen forums.

might i quote a scripture?

Luke 6:39
He further told them [ae]a proverb: Can a blind [man] guide and direct a blind [man]? Will they not both stumble into a ditch or a [af]hole in the ground?

From what i understand about teen forums. which may be limited in some areas because i dont sniff around. Moderators can only be in the same age limit as the rules of that catagory specify.

Ive been in the teen forums, what ends up happening is people give their opinion as to what the right answer is , not having wisdom, and not using knowledge they read the scripture and relate it to what their beliefe is. im not pointing fingers at the moderators for their job, but there is a reason why youth pastors are older than the youth, there has to be some wisdom and knowledge, otherwise it would be no different than any other forums on the website.

I beleive that the moderators should be older than the teens. I know this forums was designed orignally so that people would grow and mature in christ. but the only way to do that is to learn from the wise generation, not stick abunch of teens with teen moderators who at that point in their life dont know the right answer either?

I believe the age limit should only affect the members not the moderators.

The whole reason why this( teen forums shut down temporarily ) happened is because you chose teenagers to be moderators, you can hate me all you want but its the truth. It doesnt work that way, they felt the same way as the members did. which is why the information didnt get taken down, which is why you people are trying to secure everything again.

You need people that are wise in God to be moderators in that forums, those that seek after gods approval, not the members. Especially in the Teen forums

Herin i get a little irritated, so bear with me....

Yes, as it was, teens were mods in the teens forums. However, you have no right at all to say that we are not wise in God, or not seeking God's approval in what we do. This is our ministry, the same as yours might be youth ministry.

Its our way of working for God's glory, keeping things clear and Godly in the teens forums. Yes, we are teens. Yes, we make mistakes, i will be the first to admit that. But the fact is that you dont know us in real life. It all comes down to that - you dont have the right or the knowledge to make judgements on us.

We try the best we can, and its a race that we have to run as well. We cant just magically be there in the front all the time.

Sorry.... Im not attacking you, but i just dont feel that you had the right to make that statement about us as moderators.

[/rant]

 

[MountainCappuccino]

If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
This would have been a wonderful nugget of wisdom to acknowledge that would have prevented many from gorging themselves on all of this melodrama.

 

[meh]

Enough people thought it was broken it needed to change.

I'm going to go ahead and close the thread up. We've had good discussion and I thank you guys for being so understanding and respectful. We'll be back with the announcement on the rest of the decisions and how Teens will work and when it will open when the decisions are reached