Teaching of creationism in US public school science classes has dropped over past 12 years

[MIDutch]

Yes, I can.

Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Saying "the Bible is right because it says right in the Bible that the Bible is right" is circular reasoning and as such is invalid as evidence of validity.

 

[AV1611VET]

So why did they put scientific mistakes in it ?

You mean like these?

1. Earth before Sun
2. Light before Sun
3. Plants before marine organisms
4. Fruit bearing trees before fish
5. Birds before insects
6. Plants before Sun
7. Man before rain

Biblical scientific errors - RationalWiki

Science can take a hike.

You would think stuff written down in Heaven would be like perfectly accurate ?

Yuppado.

 

[AV1611VET]

You DO realize that anyone not of your religion considers the Bible to be a straght-up myth as well, right?

Indeed I do.

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and Buddhists and some others might give It a bit more respect than academians, but that's par.

 

[MIDutch]

You mean like these?

1. Earth before Sun
2. Light before Sun
3. Plants before marine organisms
4. Fruit bearing trees before fish
5. Birds before insects
6. Plants before Sun
7. Man before rain

Science can take a hike.

Odd (not really) that creationist arguments haven't changed much (and are no more valid) since Darwin's time.

Do creationists really still believe the Earth existed before our sun was formed?

 

[AV1611VET]

Saying "the Bible is right because it says right in the Bible that the Bible is right" is circular reasoning and as such is invalid as evidence of validity.

Ain't that a drag?

Here are a few things that wouldn't exist if the Bible didn't:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Yuppado.

That about sums up all your arguments. Almost looks like it was written down in heaven.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do creationists really still believe the Earth existed before our sun was formed?

This creationist does.

In fact, the first object in the universe that had mass was the earth.

Meaning the universe started out with a mass/energy level of zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days, as God brought things into it ex nihilo.

 

[AV1611VET]

That about sums up all your arguments. Almost looks like it was written down in heaven.

Along with my new name!

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Here are a few things that wouldn't exist if the Bible didn't:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

We also wouldn’t have crusades, inquisition, burned heretics, witches, corrupted clergy and Popes and stuff like that.

Was there some point for your little list ?

 

[AV1611VET]

We also wouldn’t have crusades, inquisition, burned heretics, witches, corrupted clergy and Popes and stuff like that.

Was there some point for your little list ?

Yes, there is.

I wouldn't take your "circular reasoning" argument with a grain of salt.

Remember Shoko Asahara?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Yes, there is.

I wouldn't take your "circular reasoning" argument with a grain of salt.

Remember Shoko Asahara?

Well it wasn’t my argument in first place and I would think you would take it with grain of salt.

Asahara, swell guy.

What has he to do with your “if pre existing conditions weren’t in place theses consequences wouldn’t have played out” pointing out the obvious post ?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The Bible was written down in Heaven before It was written on Earth.

Adam wrote the first part of it.

That doesn't make sense unless Adam took dictation...

 

[AV1611VET]

That doesn't make sense unless Adam took dictation...

Dictation is considered Mechanical Inspiration.

We believe in Verbal Plenary Inspiration, where the writer uses his own words.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Dictation is considered Mechanical Inspiration.

We believe in Verbal Plenary Inspiration, where the writer uses his own words.

So you're saying the bible was written once in heaven, then part was dictated to Adam?

 

[AV1611VET]

So you're saying the bible was written once in heaven, then part was dictated to Adam?

You're trying not to understand, and it's making a simple point laborious.

Have a nice day.

 

[MIDutch]

Ain't that a drag?

Here are a few things that wouldn't exist if the Bible didn't:

1. Time divided into BC and AD.

Which is merely a convention that was forced on the world by Christian Imperial powers. There are other dating systems out there. For example it is the year 4718 in the Chinese Calendar.

2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.

There are lots of charitable organizations that have nothing to do with Christianity.

3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.

Hospitals have been built since the ancient Greek, Roman and Indian times, and hospitals as we know them today can be traced to Muslim institutions in Persia.

4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.

There's LOTS of beautiful artwork, edifices, statuary and literature all around the world. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on it. Personally, I have an affection for both Art Nouveau AND Art Deco.

5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.

In the United States. Those phrases are irrelevant to the vast majority of the people around the world.

6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.

It's actually illega to display those on government property in the US.

7. Christmas & Easter

Which are oddly enough based on Pagan ceremonies (hint: Jesus wasn't born in December)

8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.

You're actually arguing that bumper stickers wouldn't exist if not for the Bible? Really?

9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.

Really?

10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.

Really?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You're trying not to understand, and it's making a simple point laborious.

I have to admit, I don't understand your supposed explanation for your apparent contradiction.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which is merely a convention that was forced on the world by Christian Imperial powers.

There would be no "Christian Imperial powers," whatever those are, without the Bible.

 

[Strathos]

Adam wrote the first part of it.

Tablets in Genesis

So when he was writing the part about the serpent and the fruit, and how eating it got him and his wife kicked out of paradise and cursed all of his descendants with sin, it never occurred to him that eating the fruit maybe wasn't a good idea? Or better yet, going to Eve and saying 'Hey, don't listen to that snake, okay?'

Or when he was writing the part about one of his sons killing another, he never thought to do anything to try to prevent that from happening?

And what did he write it with? Were there pens and paper in Eden? Stone chisels and tablets? If they could be naked and have everything provided for them why would they need to make tools like that?

The whole idea makes no sense at all.

 

[AV1611VET]

So when he was writing the part about the serpent and the fruit, and how eating it got him and his wife kicked out of paradise and cursed all of his descendants with sin, it never occurred to him that eating the fruit maybe wasn't a good idea? Or better yet, going to Eve and saying 'Hey, don't listen to that snake, okay?'

Or when he was writing the part about one of his sons killing another, he never thought to do anything to try to prevent that from happening?

And what did he write it with? Were there pens and paper in Eden? Stone chisels and tablets? If they could be naked and have everything provided for them why would they need to make tools like that?

The whole idea makes no sense at all.

Adam lived for 930 years.

Are you suggesting he wrote in real time?

He could have written Genesis 1 at almost any age: 50, 100, 250, 500, whatever.