Teaching of creationism in US public school science classes has dropped over past 12 years

[Jimmy D]

The Cambrian explosion is referred to in Darwin's book, I thought everyone discussing this would be familiar with it. About 500 million years ago we had the "Cambrian explosion" which is where we first saw shells and bony creatures. Prior to that it was single celled organisms, and algae, etc. At the time of Darwin he knew this development was rapid and didn't coincide with his random mutation theory, so he hypothesized that we would find the "missing link". Some new dig would discover the "missing link". Instead what has happened is that our time frame for this explosion has narrowed from estimates of 50 million years to 15 million years.

At the time of Darwin he knew this development was rapid

Where did he say that then?

 

[Shemjaza]

Darwin didn't even know about genetics... also he didn't know about Precambrian life.


Whenever Creationists get all fired up about the Cambrian explosion I want to know if they even believe it happened? If they do, then do they believe that the creatures who are found there "micro-evolved" into modern and extinct varieties of life?

 

[ZNP]

I notice you haven't addressed the probability of you existing. Please do so - I'll be very interested to see how you make your own existence seem even remotely possible.

I believe in a creator. I also believe that everything that happened can be searched out and using the scientific method honestly is the way to do that. Other than "speaking all things into creation" I don't know anymore than anyone else.

 

[VirOptimus]

I believe in a creator. I also believe that everything that happened can be searched out and using the scientific method honestly is the way to do that. Other than "speaking all things into creation" I don't know anymore than anyone else.

And the ToE is then using the scientific method dishonestly?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I believe in a creator. I also believe that everything that happened can be searched out and using the scientific method honestly is the way to do that. Other than "speaking all things into creation" I don't know anymore than anyone else.

Sorry, I don't see a probability calculation for your own birth in there. Do you have one, or is this a tacit admission that your claims about the probability calculations of proteins forming using "creationist math" are fallacious?

 

[sesquiterpene]

There are other factors involved

Yes, it's not quite the "simple math" that you claimed, is it? That's why in school you are required to show your work, to demonstrate you understand the problem, and are not just copying it from some creationist youtube video.

It is quite clear that in your arrogance you haven't so much as looked at the research done by the mathematicians, biologists, other scientists. You falsely claim to be scientists yet refuse to even attempt to falsify a theory or investigate it. If anyone else does the work that scientists are supposed to do you ridicule them, insult them, get them fired, and make fools of yourselves. You show yourselves to be hypocrites in your claim to "trust in science".

Nice rant, but wouldn't your time be better spent paying attention to what people are actually saying, rather than whining about how mean scientists are to creationists? I literally enumerated various reasons why these sort of calculations are problematic.

I am not a scientist, I'm a retired scientist - but one who has observed creation-evolution debates for many years, and these sort of calculations come up constantly - as do the reasons they might be wrong.
If you're interested in recent science concerning de novo protein formation, try reading these discussions:
How evolution builds genes from scratch
and
Sandwalk: The evolution of de novo genes

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Further to the calculation of functional protein sequences, here's an article discussing (among other things) RNA and protein 'shape kingdoms', the networks of similar 'phenotypic spaces' in the landscape of their sequence spaces (see the section headed 'Casting a billion nets') : The Strange Inevitability of Evolution.

 

[MIDutch]

... virtually every major phyla appeared during a 15 million period known as the Cambrian explosion.

So, you've found that rabbit fossil in the Cambrian strata?

Also, 15 million years is quite a long "explosion", dontcha think?

 

[MIDutch]

That's why I think ID can take a hike.

I prefer Creationism.

The one that describes names, places, events; and even who the eyewitnesses were.

So does Lord of the Rings.

 

[AV1611VET]

So does Lord of the Rings.

Which author came first?

 

[Gene2memE]

The Cambrian explosion is referred to in Darwin's book, I thought everyone discussing this would be familiar with it. About 500 million years ago we had the "Cambrian explosion" which is where we first saw shells and bony creatures. Prior to that it was single celled organisms, and algae, etc. At the time of Darwin he knew this development was rapid and didn't coincide with his random mutation theory, so he hypothesized that we would find the "missing link". Some new dig would discover the "missing link". Instead what has happened is that our time frame for this explosion has narrowed from estimates of 50 million years to 15 million years.

Are you deliberately ignoring the Ediacaran biota, or do you just not know about it?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Which author came first?

Creationism or LotR?

In the sense of anti-evolutionary 'scientific' creationism, George Macready Price was born a couple decades before Tolkien. Probably a few others of that era, plus or minus a decade.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism or LotR?

In the sense of anti-evolutionary 'scientific' creationism, George Macready Price was born a couple decades before Tolkien. Probably a few others of that era, plus or minus a decade.

Let me be more specific:

Who came first? JEHOVAH or J.R. Tolkien?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Let me be more specific:

Who came first? JEHOVAH or J.R. Tolkien?

Certainly some minority of people on Earth believed in Jehovah long before Tolkien lived.

 

[Strathos]

Certainly some minority of people on Earth believed in Jehovah long before Tolkien lived.

Tolkien was a Catholic who wrote Christian themes into his work.

 

[AV1611VET]

Certainly some minority of people on Earth believed in Jehovah long before Tolkien lived.

That minority grew bigger over the years, didn't it?

Who does essentialsaltes think came first?

 

[AV1611VET]

Tolkien was a Catholic who wrote Christian themes into his work.

Which came first? Tolkien, Catholics, or Christian themes?

 

[essentialsaltes]

That minority grew bigger over the years, didn't it?

It did, but it has remained a minority.

Who does essentialsaltes think came first?

I don't believe there ever was a Jehovah. So Tolkien wins this race by default.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't believe there ever was a Jehovah. So Tolkien wins this race by default.

Thank you for an honest answer.

 

[Strathos]

Which came first? Tolkien, Catholics, or Christian themes?

J. R. R. Tolkien: Born 1892

The Catholic Church: Historically unclear, probably the earliest it existed as an organization would be sometime in the 1st century AD

Christian themes: Conceived by God, most likely outside of time. Show up in various forms in the OT. Came to fruition with the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.