Taking questions on the Creation.

[AV1611VET]

Genesis was believed to have been written by Moses about 1450-1410 B.C.

In a sense, that's true.

Genesis was edited by Moses --- but the book itself is a compilation of the writings of various inspired authors: from Adam to Joseph.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I remember seeing a show on the History channel some time ago. The compared the major religous writings, and turns out there are congruent similarities in all of them. There is nothing really speacial about the Bible, as compared to any other creation/mythic account.

 

[The Lady Kate]

In a sense, that's true.

Genesis was edited by Moses --- but the book itself is a compilation of the writings of various inspired authors: from Adam to Joseph.

And the scriptural support for that is...?

 

[AV1611VET]

I remember seeing a show on the History channel some time ago. The compared the major religous writings, and turns out there are congruent similarities in all of them. There is nothing really speacial about the Bible, as compared to any other creation/mythic account.

I disagree.

The Bible gives specific names, places, times, events, the order of these events, Who did what, how it was done, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

I don't know of any other creation story that goes into that much detail.

 

[Justaman0000]

Do you beleive that the earth is only 6000 years old? If so why?
If Adam was created the 3rd day, and Eve the 6th day, then who are all the other men and women created on the 6th day also?

 

[The Lady Kate]

I disagree.

The Bible gives specific names, places, times, events, the order of these events, Who did what, how it was done, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

I don't know of any other creation story that goes into that much detail.

It's funny, AV1611VET, but I don't see anything near the level of detail you're praising in Genesis 1-3... and if, as your OP suggests, you're limiting yourself to the "Creation Week," wouldn't that just be Genesis 1, with a noticable lack of specific names, places, times, or witnesses?

 

[JustMeSee]

A good read on this subject is God's Voice in the Stars, by Kenneth C. Fleming:

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Here are the Scripture references to the stars being angels' homes:

Was Fleming's hand guided by God when this book was written?

Do you believe that it was? If not why do believe it to be factual?

 

[ReverendDG]

Lucifer is a fallen angel.

no lucifer was a name for venus, bible editors played with the text to support a false belief.

Rev 22:16:I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
what does lucifer translate to AV? the morning star, rev 22:16 in latin would also say lucifer.
all the claims made about lucifer being satan before he fell is unsupported by the text and only is supported by the use of the word lucifer

the funny thing is that people who weren't even believers in satan used the name used for greek that would be lucifer in latin to mean venus.
in fact philo(who was a pagan)
used the name lucifer, i want you to explain that to me why he would use the name lucifer, which is satans former name to mean venus?

Philo, circa A.D. 30 in The Cherubim, Part I, section 7 wrote, "But their peculiar and voluntary motion is from west to east, according to which last motion we find that the periods of the seven planets have received their exact measure of time, moving on in an equal course, as the Sun, and Lucifer, and what is called Stilbon. For these three planets are of equal speed; but some of the others are unequal in point of time, but preserve a certain sort of relative proportion to one another and to the other three which have been mentioned."
i thought lucifer was an angel AV? is he really a planet?

 

[ReverendDG]

I disagree.

The Bible gives specific names, places, times, events, the order of these events, Who did what, how it was done, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

all of them do that!
the koran lists all kinds of real people, places,times, events and the order of the events.
unless you think mecca isn't real or damascus isn't real

I don't know of any other creation story that goes into that much detail.

the koran does, the celtic myths are waaayyy more detailed than the bible is, considering sumarian mythology is were the bible stole most of its structure i'd say its more detailed

 

[ReverendDG]

In a sense, that's true.

Genesis was edited by Moses --- but the book itself is a compilation of the writings of various inspired authors: from Adam to Joseph.

read exodus AGAIN AV. the torah is written down by moses, he doesn't edit anything, god tells him what to write.

nice try, but your claim is baseless, at most you could say that according to tradition, it was written by two people moses and someone after he died.

 

[Gracchus]

read exodus AGAIN AV.

I don't think that would do much good.

the torah is written down by moses, he doesn't edit anything, god tells him what to write.

And we know this because...?

nice try, but your claim is baseless, at most you could say that according to tradition, it was written by two people moses and someone after he died.

That is not what serious scholars believe. It is not even what the Bible says. It is a pietistic fantasy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you beleive that the earth is only 6000 years old?

Yes and no.

I believe the earth is existentially 6100 years old --- that is, it has gone around the sun 6100 times.

I also believe the earth is physically 4.57 billion years old --- that is, it has 4.57 billion years of age.

If so why?

Occam's Razor.

It's the simplest explanation that allows for both a literal Genesis 1, and a literal scientific dating.

If Adam was created the 3rd day, and Eve the 6th day, then who are all the other men and women created on the 6th day also?

Both Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day.

 

[AV1611VET]

Was Fleming's hand guided by God when this book was written?

No, that's called Automatic Handwriting, and that's a form of demonic possession.

 

[The Lady Kate]

Occam's Razor.

It's the simplest explanation that allows for both a literal Genesis 1, and a literal scientific dating.

But why must we allow for a literal Genesis 1?

 

[gaara4158]

So, this 6100-some years the Earth has revolved around the sun... was it the last 6100 years? Or was it 1 year a billion years ago, 1 year a million years ago, etc? If it's anything other than the last 6100 years, your argument is pointless because science would still be in error about its measurements, not just the "real story."

 

[marktheblake]

your argument is pointless because science would still be in error about its measurements, not just the "real story."

The Thread title and the description in the first post clearly sets the scene here that this thread is for the purpose that AV is going to address any questions based on his position on Genesis 1 or otherwise called the Creation week.

Therefore, your argument is pointless.

 

[The Lady Kate]

The Thread title and the description in the first post clearly sets the scene here that this thread is for the purpose that AV is going to address any questions based on his position on Genesis 1 or otherwise called the Creation week.

Therefore, your argument is pointless.

I disagree.

The Bible gives specific names, places, times, events, the order of these events, Who did what, how it was done, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

I don't know of any other creation story that goes into that much detail.

Looks to me like AV1611VET has already moved well beyond Genesis 1 and the Creation Week... therefore, your argument is pointless.

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible gives specific names, places, times, events, the order of these events, Who did what, how it was done, and even who the eyewitnesses were.

Looks to me like AV1611VET has already moved well beyond Genesis 1 and the Creation Week... therefore, your argument is pointless.

With the exception of the eyewitnesses (found in Job), all the others are in Genesis 1.

 

[marktheblake]

Looks to me like AV1611VET has already moved well beyond Genesis 1 and the Creation Week

Sorry, the 6000yo issue is definitely a creation week related issue.

 

[CoderHead]

It was autographed by various authors; from Adam to [probably] Joseph.

Huh...what?? Who told you that? I've never heard any discussion whatsoever of Adam being the author of anything. Your basis for this statement?

If you want to use that logic, let's just go with 1611 and be done with it.

OK, and as stated, the oldest creation story is dated back to the 18th century BC. So it predates the Biblical creation story.

Noah would have autographed Genesis 6 - 9.

Again, your basis for this statement? All indications point to Moses being the sole author of Genesis.

I didn't mean Nimrod wrote the Epic of Gilgamesh, I meant Nimrod built Sumeria.

I'm still not seeing your point, sorry.