Taking questions on the Creation.

[Cabal]

Well, I don't.

And to be ridiculed for it is just plain wrong; and, in my opinion, shows a certain level of intolerance that the 'scientifically-minded' has toward us.

US? Show me one other person that accepts your specific stance, on what sin nature is, how it is transferred genetically, and uses it to reject our taxonomic name.

It has nothing to do with mere intolerance, it has everything to do with your reasoning behind it and how you used it.

YOU were the one who made this an issue first by using it to clobber people and dodge points with - no one else brought up sin nature the way you did, and used it to skirt discussion like you did.

Then you showed your basis for it, which contained some laughable assumptions and leaps, namely:

- Sin nature is genetic (rather than, gee, I dunno, spiritual)

- Sin nature is inheritable genetically and is present in every human (but through the father only, of course! It can still be genetic and ignore basic genetics!)

- Taxonomy precludes being a sinner (no, it really doesn't, we're homo sapiens because that's what our classification is. It doesn't mean we descended from apes or evolved from anything, it is merely a NAME. You don't become an evilutionist and turn left-wing from merely accepting it)

You were the one who started throwing this as people to ignore what they had to say, in fact you've admitted as such in this thread about why you throw it out.

If that is your reasoning, my responses aren't going to change one iota. YOU brought this on yourself by clobbering people with it first, so YOU are the one responsible for people's reactions to the terrible reasoning behind one of your key mantras.

Don't go playing the persecution card here, AV - it's not going to fly.

 

[CoderHead]

And to be ridiculed for it is just plain wrong; and, in my opinion, shows a certain level of intolerance that the 'scientifically-minded' has toward us.

Who is "us?" The "scientifically-minded" consider themselves homo sapiens the same as you. Are you trying to suggest that scientists somehow think they're better than you? I'm confused.

 

[BananaSlug]

I'm not going to get into an argument with my brothers and sisters in Christ here --- that's just plain wrong.

Paul certainly had no problem chastizing his brothers and sisters in Christ when they were in the wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

Paul certainly had no problem chastizing his brothers and sisters in Christ when they were in the wrong.

No comment.

 

[BananaSlug]

No comment.

No comment? So there is something from the Bible that you decline to comment on? You feel free to make up wild concoctions with no basis in the Bible to explain away evidence that contradicts your beliefs but you decline to comment on the fact that it is a Christian duty to chastise other Christians when they are wrong?

 

[JusSumguy]

Walking away from debates does not make you "undefeated".

This was a contest?

Man, I wish I would have known. I would have entered.

I like contests.

What's the prize? Is there gonna be cake?

I like cake.


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[Tiberius]

God turned dominion of His creation over to Adam.

Adam turned it over to Satan.

I'm sorry, I must have missed that bit of the Bible. In which passage did Adam give said dominion to Satan?

Satan offered it to Jesus in the wilderness, and Jesus turned down his offer.

Since you are referring to things outside Genesis 1 and 2, does that mean we can as well?

Jesus will soon return and take it by force --- then turn it back over to His Father.

But since Jesus and God are two different aspects of the same thing, doesn't that seem kinda odd?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm sorry, I must have missed that bit of the Bible. In which passage did Adam give said dominion to Satan?

It's not expressed, it's implied.

God gave it to Adam, and later we see Satan offering it to Jesus.

Putting one and one together, we can infer that Adam was tricked out of it in the Garden of Eden.

Since you are referring to things outside Genesis 1 and 2, does that mean we can as well?

I don't see why not at this point.

Getting people to stick to Genesis 1 is like trying to herd cats down the Santa Fe Trail.

But since Jesus and God are two different aspects of the same thing, doesn't that seem kinda odd?

No --- that's the nature of a triune Godhead.

They are separate, yet equal; sovereign, yet accountable to One Another.

 

[JustMeSee]

They are separate, yet equal; sovereign, yet accountable to One Another.

Thank you for the earlier explanation of the Godhead. It is still confusing for me to understand, but I will read more about it.

 

[Split Rock]

Getting people to stick to Genesis 1 is like trying to herd cats down the Santa Fe Trail.

Especially when you can't even do it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thank you for the earlier explanation of the Godhead. It is still confusing for me to understand, but I will read more about it.

You're quite welcome ---

I hope I helped some.

 

[AV1611VET]

Especially when you can't even do it.

I'll admit it is indeed hard to do.

 

[CoderHead]

God gave it to Adam, and later we see Satan offering it to Jesus.

But Satan's a liar, right? A liar offering something he doesn't own doesn't mean the liar owns it. Satan didn't say, "I own this because Adam gave it to me, so if you bow down I'll relinquish it." I think you're reading your own meaning into it, to be honest.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think you're reading your own meaning into it, to be honest.

That's your call, my friend.

 

[BananaSlug]

It's not expressed, it's implied.

God gave it to Adam, and later we see Satan offering it to Jesus.

Putting one and one together, we can infer that Adam was tricked out of it in the Garden of Eden.I don't see why not at this point.

I think you have it wrong. It would have been Noah who gave it to Satan.

1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. Genesis 9:1-3

Someone needs to check their beliefs with the Bible!

Getting people to stick to Genesis 1 is like trying to herd cats down the Santa Fe Trail.

Because many things lie outside of Genesis 1. Like Genesis 2, or Genesis 6-9.

So AV, why is the order of creation different in Genesis 2 vs Genesis 1?
^Is it because of questions like this that you refuse to stray outside of Genesis 1?

 

[AV1611VET]

So AV, why is the order of creation different in Genesis 2 vs Genesis 1?
^Is it because of questions like this that you refuse to stray outside of Genesis 1?

Not at all.

I [normally] refuse to stray outside of Genesis 1 when discussing the Creation Week.

I have answered your question above several times in other threads.

In fact, I'm even thinking about starting a thread where I just take general questions on any topic.

Okay --- almost any topic ---

 

[BananaSlug]

What about where Noah handed creation over to Satan? Did you forget to mention that?

 

[AV1611VET]

What about where Noah handed creation over to Satan? Did you forget to mention that?

No, I didn't --- the word 'dominion' is absent in God's charges to Noah; yet it appears twice in Genesis 1:

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

 

[CoderHead]

Yet nowhere does it say, "Adam hereby relinquishes dominion over the Earth to Satan." You've already stated it's "implied." But in doing so you're opening up the Bible to anybody's interpretation. I can "imply" a lot of things from a lot of scripture. Again, I just think you're reading into it.

 

[BananaSlug]

1 So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. Genesis 9:1-3

Bolded sentence implies dominion. In fact, it is essentially the same sentence with "dominion" replaced with "fear/dread of you". Again, it implies dominion. You want to imply that Adam handed creation to Satan, yet the Bible implies God gave dominion to Noah.