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Can I just ask - honestly - what does it matter? Did his contribution to science and mathematics change as a result of any real or perceived shift in his personal beliefs? I'm just wondering. Ultimately, I think it's of zero importance.It is also in that documentary that states Albert became more and more regelious his last year of life.
Wasn't me...
Mind you, it matters not a bit whether Einstein believed in "God" any more than it matters whether Darwin "recanted" on his death bed.
Can I just ask - honestly - what does it matter? Did his contribution to science and mathematics change as a result of any real or perceived shift in his personal beliefs? I'm just wondering. Ultimately, I think it's of zero importance.
AV, do you believe that you have dominion over all animals, as claimed in Genesis 1:28?
Well, in the Bible, God admits to jealousy. He probably killed all the others off. In fact he kills everyone who disagrees with him. Which seems to be everyone.And when God referred to himself in the plural in Genesis 1:26, who was he talking about? Were there other that he was talking to?
No.AV, do you believe that you have dominion over all animals, as claimed in Genesis 1:28?
He was talking to the other two members of the Godhead.And when God referred to himself in the plural in Genesis 1:26, who was he talking about? Were there other that he was talking to?
Several reasons:Sorry if this has been asked before, but I don't have the time to go through 31 pages of posts.
What is the reasoning behind taking the genesis account of creation literally? I understand people take it literally but I've never understood the reason why they take it literally.
What is the reasoning behind taking the genesis account of creation literally? I understand people take it literally but I've never understood the reason why they take it literally.
But the underlying supposition of your question is that Genesis as it is written is not true, so your question does not really make sense. Nobody would take it literally if they didnt beleive it to be true,
However if Genesis is true, then obviously that is a very good reason to take it seriously.
Probably the better question to ask, is what is the reasoning behind people not taking Genesis 1-2 seriously.
No, that kind of turns the question up-side-down, doesn't it? Nobody believes what is written in genesis without having read genesis, do they? The text in genesis is the foundation of creationism, and the question is, why take genesis literally when you don't take everything in the bible literally. Or, do you? Do you take the entire bible literally? In that case I could understand you taking genesis literally as well.
and the question is, why take genesis literally when you don't take everything in the bible literally
Or, do you? Do you take the entire bible literally?
You are enforcing a false assumption on me in asking that question, so its invalid.
Of course not, if one was to take the entire bible literally that would mean denying figures of speech.
I take the bible seriously.
Amen!Of course not, if one was to take the entire bible literally that would mean denying figures of speech.
I take the bible seriously.
Amen!
As J. Dwight Pentecost points out in his book, Things to Come:
The Bible isn't allegory --- It contains allegory.
No.He was talking to the other two members of the Godhead.
You are still trying this? All the the other descriptions of creation in the bible that use the phrase 'in the beginning' are full of metaphor, allegory and symbol. It was only six days ago I pointed these passages out to you, have you forgotten already?Several reasons:
1. The Bible starts out IN THE BEGINNING --- not ONCE UPON A TIME.
Doesn't the bible end with a book full of allegory? The book of Revelation even talks about the last judgement. I wonder how your literalism will stand up to being judged by God's word. Actually the most relevant description of judgement is Paul's description of believers works being judged.2. We are going to be judged by God's Word; why would It start out with allegory?
AV meet Jesus, Jesus, this is AV. Careful you don't want to sneak up on him unannounced with any metaphors or parables.3. It doesn't make sense to have allegory, unless you have the source of the allegory first.
And did Paul learn allegory from Philo? Gal 4:24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar.4. Philo of Alexandria is the one who started the Allegorical Method of interpretation by trying to meld Jewish literal thought with Greek allegory.
If they didn't would you be able to tell when you interpret it all literally anyway?5. Jesus, His disciples, and every [human] author interpreted the books of the Bible literally.
Just an excuse to exclude the passages you cannot deny are allegorical. If there is no question when passages are allegorical, why is the church divided down the middle about taking Jesus literally when he said "this is my body"? Why was Nicodemus confused when Jesus said "you must be born again"?6. In almost every instance, the Bible alerts the reader when a non-literal passage is coming up. Where It doesn't alert the reader, the passage is so allegorical anyway, there's no question (such as the trees talking to each other in Judges 9).
And the same commandment in Deuteronomy is based off a metaphorical description of the Exodus when God rescued the Israelites "With a mighty hand and outstretched arm" Deut 5:15.7. One of the Ten Commandments is based off of a literal Genesis 1.
Are these the genealogies Paul keeps telling us to avoid? And Luke describes as 'supposed'?8. Lineages are traced all the way through to Genesis 1.
Sentence structure cannot be literal or non literal, do you mean narrative? I don't see how that can help you as narratives can be literal or figurative. However Genesis 1 is unlike any other passage I know of in scripture, the nearest I can think of are the repetitive refrains and parallelism of some of the Psalms.9. The sentence structure of Genesis 1 is neither allegory, nor poetry, but literal.
The Godhead is what we call the Triunity --- some call it the Trinity.What is a 'Godhead'?
Not 'polytheistic' --- 'triune'.Is that some polytheistic figure?
God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.Who were the members of The Godhead during the time of creation?
So, Jesus (God in human form) was in heaven during creation, before he was born?The Godhead is what we call the Triunity --- some call it the Trinity.Not 'polytheistic' --- 'triune'.
Three-as-one.God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Jesus existed before the earth was ever created (not in human form, though).So, Jesus (God in human form) was in heaven during creation, before he was born?
Indeed --- He even volunteered to be the Saviour.I did not know that Jesus existed before he was born on earth. Very intriguing!
Note too, Jesus is all through the Old Testament:Psalm 40:7 said:Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
We have a fancy way of saying this:Luke 24:27 said:And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
No one --- not even the Old Testament saints --- went to Heaven without the shed blood of Jesus Christ.1 Timothy 3:16 said:And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Does not apply --- Jesus wasn't in physical form in Heaven.1. How old was Jesus' physical form in heaven before he was born on earth?
Heaven, proper, is a spiritual place; and was created on the first day of creation.2. Is heaven a physical place? If so, where is it located in relationship to earth (on earth, under the ground, somewhere out in space)?
Notice his reference to 'fourteen years ago'?2 Corinthians 12:2 said:I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, ( whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Only God can get away with that.3. I am having trouble with: 1+1+1=1.
It would be polytheistic if there were three separate Gods, apart from their triune nature; it would be MPD, if there was only one God w/no triune nature.Please explain how talking to oneself in heaven (Genesis 1:26) is not polytheistic or akin to multiple personality disorder.
No offense taken ---I am not trying to be offensive, only trying to understand your belief.
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