Taking questions on the Creation.

[CoderHead]

Just because you can't figure out anything?

Was that supposed to be inflammatory? Because it sounds like you're just trying to start something.

My question was in regard to this post of AV's:

Have a good day, sir ---

Does that mean the discussion is over? I still have unanswered questions.

 

[gaara4158]

No doubt.

Science fiction at its best. Fanciful explanations to rationalize their worldview so they can sleep at night. Asimov would be proud.

And the worst part is they're incorrigible... you can lead them to accept all the necessary premises, but when you ask them to make a conclusion, they error404 and spit out a random falsehood.

 

[BananaSlug]

No, I don't have to explain it --- for two good reasons:

1. This thread is about the Creation Week.
2. Embedded Age = maturity without history.

So what's the deal with the KT boundary? Did God just mistakenly add in bits of evidence that supports an ancient asteroid impact? We have evidence for geologic history. Embedded age needs to be able to explain why this historical evidence never happened. Can you?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Speaking of KT boundry, I'd also like to know how the Chicxulub crater fits in with creationism. Certainly a meteor of that size impacting earth should be footnoted somewhere in the bible.

 

[Justaman0000]

I call it deception because you're saying that God created a 4.6 billion-year-old Earth 6,100 years ago. Right?

If that's the case, then it seems deceptive to make us believe by empirical evidence that the Earth formed 4.6 billion years ago in order to test our faith that He actually created it 6,100 years ago. Why not be upfront about it? What I'm saying is that if you're right, it seems malicious to have played a trick like that...as evidenced by our endless debates, like this one.

I understand the words that you're typing. I just don't understand how you reconcile them. I see what you're saying, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

Actually the bible or scripture doesn't say that the earth is 6100 years old. Adam and eve were given eternal life. It deosn't say how long they lived in the garden of eden. they could have and probably were there for billions of years.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Actually the bible or scripture doesn't say that the earth is 6100 years old. Adam and eve were given eternal life. It deosn't say how long they lived in the garden of eden. they could have and probably were there for billions of years.

Adam lived 130 yrs. Gen. 5:3

Do you know how many zeros has a billion??

 

[Justaman0000]

It said Adam lived 130 years and had Seth. Adam actually lived 930 years after he left the garden. When he lived in the garden there would be no point in keeping track of time he had eternal life. After he was cast out then there would be a point to keep the number of years of his life.

 

[AV1611VET]

So what's the deal with the KT boundary?

Beats me.

Wikipedia says it represents a mass extinction, caused by something that left a siderophile residue (iron-loving iridium).

It is, of course, assumed that the iridium came from outer space.

 

[AV1611VET]

Speaking of KT boundry, I'd also like to know how the Chicxulub crater fits in with creationism. Certainly a meteor of that size impacting earth should be footnoted somewhere in the bible.

Why?

When the breakup of Eden into continents gets a very minimal entry in Genesis 10.

And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

God documented what He wanted documented, and left the rest to go the way of the Periodic Table.

This means that everyone and their brother may have written about it, but God didn't see fit to preserve it.

ETA: The Bible is not a diary of the earth's history --- the Bible is a diary of God upon the earth.

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Why?

When the breakup of Eden into continents gets a very minimal entry in Genesis 10.God documented what He wanted documented, and left the rest to go the way of the Periodic Table.

This means that everyone and their brother may have written about it, but God didn't see fit to preserve it.

Are you implying that a 100,000,000 megaton TNT explosion didn't merit any historical textual documentation? Really? That god has a funny sense of humor, you got to admit that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you implying that a 100,000,000 megaton TNT explosion didn't merit any historical textual documentation? Really? That god has a funny sense of humor, you got to admit that.

Didn't I just say everybody and their brother probably wrote about it --- or could have?

Mind if we get back to Genesis 1?

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

It said Adam lived 130 years and had Seth. Adam actually lived 930 years after he left the garden. When he lived in the garden there would be no point in keeping track of time he had eternal life. After he was cast out then there would be a point to keep the number of years of his life.

Yeah, my mistake, 930. So, you're saying that the 930 years is after he left the garden, but could've been billions in the garden?

Do you have a source for this, or is this your special interpretation?

 

[Cabal]

Are you implying that a 100,000,000 megaton TNT explosion didn't merit any historical textual documentation? Really? That god has a funny sense of humor, you got to admit that.

I suppose mentioning one mass-genocide is embarrassing enough without referencing them all.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I suppose mentioning one mass-genocide is embarrassing enough without referencing them all.

You do have a point there. When you control the media, I guess you control the history.

 

[BananaSlug]

Beats me.

Wikipedia says it represents a mass extinction, caused by something that left a siderophile residue (iron-loving iridium).

It is, of course, assumed that the iridium came from outer space.

Was the 65 million year old KT boundary "embedded" with that age? If so, how would "embedded age" explain why we find zero non-avian dinosaurs above this line and lots of dinosaurs below it? How would "embedded age" explain why we have fossils in 65 million year old rock?

 

[AV1611VET]

Was the 65 million year old KT boundary "embedded" with that age?

I would assume so.

If so, how would "embedded age" explain why we find zero non-avian dinosaurs above this line and lots of dinosaurs below it?

It wouldn't.

It's Embedded Age --- it's not Wikipedia.

How does cotton candy explain the Coriolis Effect?

How would "embedded age" explain why we have fossils in 65 million year old rock?

Again, Embedded Age explains the age of the universe on Day Six.

It is not a database of explanations for what occurred afterwards.

 

[BananaSlug]

I would assume so.

Okay, we've established the KT boundary line has 65 million years of physical age.

It wouldn't.

It's Embedded Age --- it's not Wikipedia.

Okay, so "embedded age" does not explain why we find fossils in 65 million year old rock.

How does cotton candy explain the Coriolis Effect?

That obviously has nothing to do with "embedded age" and its theological implications. For "embedded age" to work, you need to be able to explain why we have fossils in rock with "embedded age". Your scenario implies 4.5 billion years of earth age without history, yet the fossils and KT boundary line imply a history as well.

Again, Embedded Age explains the age of the universe on Day Six.

It is not a database of explanations for what occurred afterwards.

The fossils had to be there as well when the rock was created, unless you want to explain why the flood neatly aranged the fossils in a perfect order without mixing the rock layers.

 

[Justaman0000]

Yeah, my mistake, 930. So, you're saying that the 930 years is after he left the garden, but could've been billions in the garden?

Do you have a source for this, or is this your special interpretation?

Do you really think it was just 6 days of creation 7th day rest and the 8th day they were tempted and cast out of the garden? Thats not what it says when i read it.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Do you really think it was just 6 days of creation 7th day rest and the 8th day they were tempted and cast out of the garden? Thats not what it says when i read it.

I don't believe it to be a literal story. Not reqiured to. This is like arguing if garden fairies are pink or yellow in my mind.

However you're first Iv'e heard claiming it to be a billion years. Just curious as to why you think so.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fossils had to be there as well when the rock was created, unless you want to explain why the flood neatly aranged the fossils in a perfect order without mixing the rock layers.

There were no fossils present when the Creation Week was completed --- none.

Fossils imply death --- and there was no death prior to the Fall.