Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation (2)

[Gregory Thompson]

How about one rotation of a planet on its axis?

The basis of time in God's perspective is not earthly. It's based on signs related to light and darkness.

Even the prophecies tell us to watch for signs, and not be concerned with exact dates. It's not new information.

 

[Kylie]

Can God make a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age the next day?

No he can't.

He can make a dress that APPEARS to be old, even to the point where it is falling apart in a way consistent with the dress being very old, but if he creates the dress at, say, midday, and the dress falls apart a day later, then the dress is only 24 hours old.

 

[AV1611VET]

The basis of time in God's perspective is not earthly. It's based on signs related to light and darkness.

Even the prophecies tell us to watch for signs, and not be concerned with exact dates. It's not new information.

So you're saying the first literal day of the Creation Week was Day Four?

 

[AV1611VET]

No he can't.

He can make a dress that APPEARS to be old, even to the point where it is falling apart in a way consistent with the dress being very old, but if he creates the dress at, say, midday, and the dress falls apart a day later, then the dress is only 24 hours old.

It is 24 hours old EXISTENTIALLY, but as old as the hills PHYSICALLY.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

So you're saying the first literal day of the Creation Week was Day Four?

No.

I am saying the first solar day didn't happen until day four, because that is when the sun was created.

Thus, the seven solar day hypothesis about creation is based on a less than detailed reading of the creation account.

Saying day 1 was 24 hours is an anachronism, since the 24 hour day didn't exist yet.

 

[Kylie]

It is 24 hours old EXISTENTIALLY, but as old as the hills PHYSICALLY.

No it isn't, since PHYSICALLY it has been around for only 24 hours.

 

[Kylie]

So you're saying the first literal day of the Creation Week was Day Four?

Yeah, I mean, if you're going to say that a day is based on the motion of the sun as it appears to cross the sky, then that can't happen until the sun actually exists in the first place.

After all, if there's no sun, no moon, no stars, how do you know that the Earth has revolved once?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yeah, I mean, if you're going to say that a day is based on the motion of the sun as it appears to cross the sky, then that can't happen until the sun actually exists in the first place.

After all, if there's no sun, no moon, no stars, how do you know that the Earth has revolved once?

Also, the Earth wasn't created til day three, so .. no dance dance revolution on day one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, I mean, if you're going to say that a day is based on the motion of the sun as it appears to cross the sky, then that can't happen until the sun actually exists in the first place.

But that's not what I'm saying.

There was a time when the earth was the only physical object in the universe.

And it was obviously rotating.

And one rotation of the earth on its axis would constitute one day.

 

[AV1611VET]

Also, the Earth wasn't created til day three,

I disagree.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

But that's not what I'm saying.

There was a time when the earth was the only physical object in the universe.

And it was obviously rotating.

And one rotation of the earth on its axis would constitute one day.

On day three, God made the earth. before that there was a separation of waters. So there was more than just "the earth"

One day one, God created heaven and earth, but didn't form any of it until the later days.

a rotating earth did not exist on day one.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I disagree.

You're disagreeing with scripture while claiming to represent it, good luck with that.

 

[Kylie]

But that's not what I'm saying.

There was a time when the earth was the only physical object in the universe.

And it was obviously rotating.

And one rotation of the earth on its axis would constitute one day.

If the Earth was the only physical object in the universe, how could you tell it was rotating?

 

[AV1611VET]

On day three, God made the earth. before that there was a separation of waters. So there was more than just "the earth"

One day one, God created heaven and earth, but didn't form any of it until the later days.

a rotating earth did not exist on day one.

On Day One, God created a mass of sea water in the hollow of His hand.

That's all it was: sea water.

Without form and void.

Then God created gravity, and gravity shaped that mass of sea water -- that I like to call Terra Aqua -- into an oblate spheroid.

And one rotation of that oblate spheroid took 24 hours to complete.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're disagreeing with scripture while claiming to represent it, good luck with that.

For what it's worth, this is a creationism test I once made up, if I were to teach creationism in college:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

 

[Kylie]

Also, the Earth wasn't created til day three, so .. no dance dance revolution on day one.

Love the way you phrased that!

 

[Kylie]

For what it's worth, this is a creationism test I once made up, if I were to teach creationism in college:

1. Explain the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia; and give two examples of each.
2. Explain the difference between "God" and "LORD God".
3. Eden in the Bible is known as __________ on a secular map.
4. What literary device reconciles Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
5. Put the following in order that they appeared in the universe: whales, stars, trees, sun, land, sea, outer space.
6. What day was Adam created on?
7. Was the universe created a closed system and, if not, what kind of energy did it run off of? if it was created open, what closed it?
8. Describe terra aqua and what kind of water it consisted of and why.
9. Photosynthesis required light from the sun prior to the Fall. true or false?
10. Explain how a 24-hour day could transpire before the sun was created.
11. Explain the difference between "miracles" and "magic."
12. When discussing Creationism, why should one never let himself stray from Genesis 1 or 2?
13. Why is "heaven" singular in Genesis 1, but plural in Genesis 2?

I'd love to see you answer this test, providing Biblical support for each answer you give.

 

[AV1611VET]

If the Earth was the only physical object in the universe, how could you tell it was rotating?

You couldn't.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd love to see you answer this test, providing Biblical support for each answer you give.

Be my guest.

 

[Kylie]

On Day One, God created a mass of sea water in the hollow of His hand.

That's all it was: sea water.

Without form and void.

Then God created gravity, and gravity shaped that mass of sea water -- that I like to call Terra Aqua -- into an oblate spheroid.

And one rotation of that oblate spheroid took 24 hours to complete.

Providing Biblical support, show me that Terra Aqua was rotating on Day 1.