Taking questions on Embedded Age Creation (2)

[dlamberth]

Not taking the Bible literally can lead to some dire consequences.

As past history shows, taking the Bible literally HAS led to dire consequences with the dark side of Christianity exposing itself in all sorts of horrors.

In today's world, it's led to denial of earth sciences in it's various forms with consequences of a lot of deaths because of global warming.

 

[AV1611VET]

What about hermeneutics?

Hermeneutics, improperly applied, can lead to junk theology.

 

[AV1611VET]

So lets get this right ...

Would you know it if you did?

 

[AV1611VET]

As past history shows, taking the Bible literally HAS led to dire consequences with the dark side of Christianity exposing itself in all sorts of horrors.

True Christianity doesn't have a "dark side."

It might look like it in an academic setting, but attributing the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials to Christianity doesn't fit in with the Bible.

In today's world, it's led to denial of earth sciences in it's various forms with consequences of a lot of deaths because of global warming.

Don't get me started on global warming until you give up:

1. your gas-powered car
2. your cement patio
3. your glass windows
4. your barbecue grill
5. your fireplace
6. drinking pop
7. your CO2 extinguisher

 

[dlamberth]

True Christianity doesn't have a "dark side."

It might look like it in an academic setting, but attributing the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials to Christianity doesn't fit in with the Bible.

You don't think so, but those who took the Bible literally sure believed what they were doing did fit in with the Bible. And even today I've watched literal interpenetration take people into questionable political beliefs and conspiracy theories and actions based on end time stuff.

 

[dlamberth]

Don't get me started on global warming until you give up:

1. your gas-powered car
2. your cement patio
3. your glass windows
4. your barbecue grill
5. your fireplace
6. drinking pop
7. your CO2 extinguisher

Yep...exactly, with consequences that science had taken a back seat.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't think so, but those who took the Bible literally sure believed what they were doing did fit in with the Bible.

But did the Bible fit in with them?

That's the big question.

Take the Crusades for example.

People marching off to liberate Jerusalem from the Gentiles sounds Biblical, doesn't it?

But Jesus said Jerusalem will be occupied by the Gentiles until a set time.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The "times of the Gentiles" will end at Armageddon.

So to march off ahead of time to liberate Jerusalem is like the Hebrews jumping the gun and going into the Promised Land after God told them they would wander in the wilderness for 40 years.

 

[All Becomes New]

Well for one, the Bible doesn't start out, ONCE UPON A TIME.

For another, Jesus took the Scriptures literally.

For another, the Bible almost always alerts us as to a vision, a parable, or a dream.

Not taking the Bible literally can lead to some dire consequences.

The Bible starts out, "In the beginning" or "In a beginning." That doesn't sound too concrete to me.

I don't think Jesus took the Bible as a 6-day creation account, which is necessary for your view. Can you demonstrate he did take the creation story as a literal 6 days?

There are different genres of writing in the Bible. If you don't think so then the Bible contradicts itself.

Taking the Bible overly literally can lead to some dire consequences as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't think Jesus took the Bible as a 6-day creation account, which is necessary for your view. Can you demonstrate he did take the creation story as a literal 6 days?

Note one of the Ten Commandments, which says:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Kylie]

Note one of the Ten Commandments, which says:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If Genesis used "day" in a figurative way, then this could as well.

 

[All Becomes New]

Note one of the Ten Commandments, which says:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

@Kylie is right. It could very well mean differently than 6 literal days. Just because the word Day is used (yom) does not mean that it means 24 hours. The word is very flexible like a lot of Hebrew words.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Genesis used "day" in a figurative way, then this could as well.

How did the angiospermes survive without a sun, if "day" in Genesis 1 was an extended period of time?

 

[AV1611VET]

@Kylie is right. It could very well mean differently than 6 literal days. Just because the word Day is used (yom) does not mean that it means 24 hours. The word is very flexible like a lot of Hebrew words.

In your opinion, how long was it then?

 

[All Becomes New]

In your opinion, how long was it then?

The Bible doesn't say exactly. That's why I was agnostic on the issue for quite a while. Then I believed in an old earth, now IDK what I believe, but I'm definitely keeping my options open. But science says the earth is old. IDK that we can narrow it down so precisely with science, but it generally says the earth is very old.

 

[Kylie]

How did the angiospermes survive without a sun, if "day" in Genesis 1 was an extended period of time?

If we go with the assumption that when God, an almighty creator who can do anything, created the world in six periods that were referred to metaphorically as "days" but were actually a lot longer, how could they survive? Hmmm, that's a good question. If only there was some all-powerful being around who could have done something, let's call it a "miracle"...

Can you think of such a being?

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible doesn't say exactly. That's why I was agnostic on the issue for quite a while. Then I believed in an old earth, now IDK what I believe, but I'm definitely keeping my options open. But science says the earth is old. IDK that we can narrow it down so precisely with science, but it generally says the earth is very old.

I don't need science to tell me the earth is old.

The Bible tells me that.

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

As to HOW OLD it is actually, I couldn't care less.

God is going to destroy it anyway.

The thing is, the earth came into existence old.

It did not GROW old.

Can God make a dress tomorrow so old it falls apart with age the next day?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

In your opinion, how long was it then?

It's one of those days that takes as long as it takes. (when evening ends, and the light brings the morning, that is the definition of a "day")

The solar cycle was not introduced until day 4, so the time period represented by the first day's light is no longer observable since the firmament or sky was added to hide it.

The true answer is, this has been hidden from us, so we cannot know.

 

[AV1611VET]

If we go with the assumption that when God, an almighty creator who can do anything, created the world in six periods that were referred to metaphorically as "days" but were actually a lot longer, how could they survive? Hmmm, that's a good question. If only there was some all-powerful being around who could have done something, let's call it a "miracle"...

Can you think of such a being?

Did ... did you just suggest we call it a "miracle"!?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's one of those days that takes as long as it takes. (when evening ends, and the light brings the morning, that is the definition of a "day")

How about one rotation of a planet on its axis?

 

[Kylie]

Did ... did you just suggest we call it a "miracle"!?

Well, on the assumption that the Bible is correct and the days described in Genesis were figurative days rather than literal, then this assumption includes a God who can do such things, so why not?