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You, on the other hand claim to mindlessly, without conscious consideration, to not believe in God. When you actually give thought to your decision, get back with me.

"Mindlessly" is an inappropriate term, unless you are once again mistakenly telling me how I think, or how my subconscious mind works.

No, I have never believed in gods, or goblins, fairies, pixies, gremlins, demons, or angels. I have also, on an intellectual level, evaluated the information on hand for those subjects, and consciously concluded that they are merely constructs of the human imagination. Some, more popular than others.

Don't be rude - I answered your question, you answer mine: You have no objective, independently verifiable information for the existance for gods, yet you claim to have made this "conscious decision" to believe in one. Why is that?
 
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Then it was after a thoughtful and conscious decision that you rejected God.

Not at all. I have never had a coherent concept of "God" to reject in this manner. You might as well have said "Then it was after a thoughtful and conscious decision that I rejected Spider-Man". You are trying to tell me what I think, and what I experienced, and failing at it.

I ask again, is that how you find your belief in your god to be, not a conscious decision?

"Mindlessly" is an inappropriate term, unless you are once again mistakenly telling me how I think, or how my subconscious mind works.

No, I have never believed in gods, or goblins, fairies, pixies, gremlins, demons, or angels. I have also, on an intellectual level, evaluated the information on hand for those subjects, and consciously concluded that they are merely constructs of the human imagination. Some, more popular than others.

Right, you made a conscious decision not to believe in God after thoughtful and purposeful consideration.

Don't be rude - I answered your question, you answer mine: You have no objective, independently verifiable information for the existance for gods, yet you claim to have made this "conscious decision" to believe in one. Why is that?

My belief in God is a faith based belief, as I've said many many times. I consciously evaluated the claims and consciously, with deliberation, accepted the view that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
 
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Right, you made a conscious decision not to believe in God after thoughtful and purposeful consideration.
Still wrong. For the first forty years of my life, I was apatheistic. I did not care about or for religion. I did not even consider the idea of gods to be worth considering.

Crop circles. Now, there was brief time where I thought there might be something to those....
My belief in God is a faith based belief, as I've said many many times. I consciously evaluated the claims and consciously, with deliberation, accepted the view that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
You evaluated these unfalsifiable and unevidenced claims, and made your decision to beleive based on that? Amiright? Do you really expect the same of me?^_^

I have some land on the coast for sale that you may be interested in. I'll show it to you if you have time. At low tide. :)

Post #532 still awaits your response.
 
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Right, you made a conscious decision not to believe in God after thoughtful and purposeful consideration.

Still wrong. For the first forty years of my life, I was apatheistic. I did not care about or for religion. I did not even consider the idea of gods to be worth considering.

Then you made a mindless, uninformed decision to not believe in God.

You evaluated these unfalsifiable and unevidenced claims, and made your decision to beleive based on that? Amiright? Do you really expect the same of me?^_^

The point was that you've made your conscious decision with, or without, thoughtful and purposeful consideration. So far, it sounds like you made your conscious decision to not believe in God mindlessly.
 
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Post #532 still awaits your response.

Read the bible, that's the God I claim exists. Of course since you haven't thoughtfully and purposely considered the existence of the biblical God, your purposeful decision to reject that God doesn't speak well of your conscious considerations.
 
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Then you made a mindless, uninformed decision to not believe in God.
Still wrong. the subconcious mind is not "mindless". Still failing at telling other people how they think.
The point was that you've made your conscious decision with, or without, thoughtful and purposeful consideration.
No, belief is not a conscious decision. Have you not been told that before?
So far, it sounds like you made your conscious decision to not believe in God mindlessly.
Now you have yourself chasing your own tail. ^_^ It cannot be both conscious and mindlessly.

Here's a question for you: should we believe in things that, by all available, objective, independently verifiable evidence, appears to be nothing but a product of human imagination? Yes or no?
 
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Post #532 still awaits your response.
Read the bible, that's the God I claim exists. Of course since you haven't thoughtfully and purposely considered the existence of the biblical God, your purposeful decision to reject that God doesn't speak well of your conscious considerations.
Challenge fail. So much for your claim of a "concious decision" to believe. :wave:
 
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Still wrong. the subconcious mind is not "mindless". Still failing at telling other people how they think.

LOL. You haven't made a conscious decision, it's your subconscious mind that made an uninformed, reason-less decision to reject the belief in God?

No, belief is not a conscious decision. Have you not been told that before?

Your belief there is no God is therefore simply a mindless decision then.

Now you have yourself chasing your own tail. ^_^ It cannot be both conscious and mindlessly.

Right. You therefore hold to a belief that you've mindlessly and ignorantly made. By ignorantly, I mean your decision to believe isn't based on anything with your lacking knowledge or awareness. But you then claim not to believe in that which you reject and in which you do not believe. Your answers are becoming more and more convoluted.

Here's a question for you: should we believe in things that, by all available, objective, independently verifiable evidence, appears to be nothing but a product of human imagination? Yes or no?

What's a product of human imagination?
 
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Challenge fail. So much for your claim of a "concious decision" to believe. :wave:

I've made a conscious decision to believe. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue to why you reject the existence of God and believe He doesn't exist. Your belief which isn't belief, your conscious decision which isn't a conscious decision but a mindless one to not believe in what you believe in. Quite a concept there.
 
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LOL. You haven't made a conscious decision, it's your subconscious mind that made an uninformed, reason-less decision to reject the belief in God?
Still failing at telling me how my brain works? Why can't my subconscious mind make an informed decision? It has access to the same (if not more) information available to my conscious self.

Your belief there is no God is therefore simply a mindless decision then.
Fail again. I do not believe that there is "no (the god-you-believe-in) God". For that, I would first have to have a coherent idea of the God that you do believe in - I do not have that information.

Right. You therefore hold to a belief that you've mindlessly and ignorantly made. By ignorantly, I mean your decision to believe isn't based on anything with your lacking knowledge or awareness. But you then claim not to believe in that which you reject and in which you do not believe. Your answers are becoming more and more convoluted.
Only the strawman version of my answers that you hold in your head. Fail again.

You evaluated these unfalsifiable and unevidenced god claims, and made your decision to believe based on that? Amiright? Do you really expect the same of me?
What's a product of human imagination?
Things we imagine - be they goblins, fairies, pixies, gremlins, demons, or angels. The question for you: should we believe in things that, by all available, objective, independently verifiable evidence, appears to be nothing but a product of human imagination? Yes or no?
 
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I've made a conscious decision to believe.
I see no reason to believe that.

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You, on the other hand, don't have a clue to why you reject the existence of God and believe He doesn't exist. Your belief which isn't belief, your conscious decision which isn't a conscious decision but a mindless one to not believe in what you believe in. Quite a concept there.
I do not believe, because I do not find the concept to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I?
 
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You want me to understand that I affirmed my daughter's belief in Santa, even though I didn't?
If you taught your child that it was a lie, great.
I suspect that the actual basis of science is of a great deal of interest to, you know, SCIENTISTS. And funnily enough, they don't use the Bible as a source.
False. The basis of all claims about the future, and far past is the present state and it's laws. While conjuring images of a deceitful past world and universe may be of interest to scientists to some degree, who cares!?

Yeah, you keep trotting that out. I don't think you actually understand what last thursdayism means, because it certainly doesn't apply here.
In the sense that you seem to want to deny Jesus lived and the apostles and that Scripture really exists and was fulfilled, that is denial.
I am saying that we cannot verify WHO they were passed down from. We do not know the original source of the texts.
We know Peter and Paul and John actually. Scripture was passed down and written by actual folk.
If this was Last Thursdayism, I would instead be claiming that the records were created last week with the appearance that they had been around for thousands of years, and all of our memories were altered.
You might as well be.

Something which you have never been able to do to my arguments. Your arguments, on the other hand, are intentionally kept vague because any specific information you provide would quickly be shown false.
Not true. Introducing some intellectual honesty to the debate is a good thing. Pretending to know when we do not, is --science!


Actually, I take that back. You have claimed something specific: that the rate of radioactive decay in the DSP was zero.
Nope. I asked if you could prove there was any decay. I suspect there may not have been decay as we know it...that is not a claim. That is exposing your claim that there was as being a joke.


And I showed that was false because it could not produce the ratios of parent to daughter to granddaughter material we see.

Your response to that was to invoke a MASSIVE coincidence that ALL the rocks we date just so happen to have gotten EXACTLY the right amount of daughter material in relation to parent material so as to APPEAR to have been formed by radioactive decay, even though you've never been able to explain why ALL the rocks all around the world got exactly the right ratios.
You are not comprehending the basic issues here. Creation is responsible I assume for most of what existed before this nature started to exist. Therefore it is no coincidence that things like daughter material existed. The ratios of creation then, would have existed, and, upon coming to exist under our laws and nature, would react accordingly, and assume the decay relationship.
Oh rubbish. If God wants me to believe, I'm sure he could deliver something to convince me.
He did, about 2014 years ago. Incidentally, I accept that year as the actual year of our Lord. Having looked at the revised claims of what year Jesus was born, it occurs to me that the basis is pathetic. I also agree with Sir Robert Anderson's calculations about when Jesus was killed. (If there is disagreement between the year 2014 (?) and Bob's calculations, I would lean toward Robbie being correct). The reason is that the crux of the issue on dates seems to come down to a few things like the eclipses, and darkness at the time of His death, etc. There could have been something supernatural at work, that changed time to some degree, throwing off our ability to pinpoint it!?

But I digress.
 
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Belief is not a decision.
If any man comes to Jesus, he will be accepted. We have the choice to believe...and the degree of belief doesn't seem to be the determining issue in salvation. Faith comes later, by hearing His words. I have come to the conclusion that 'belief' in the sense of what is needed to be saved, does not mean strong faith in God.
 
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I do not believe, because I do not find the concept to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I?
To a point, I agree. I reject creation by evolution out of hand and all so called science that has led man to accept that lie. I do not believe it, because I do not find the concept to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I? Not only that, but I see that God says it is not true also.
 
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I see no reason to believe that.

:)

I do not believe, because I do not find the concept [of gods] to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I?

To a point, I agree.
Well then, why do you believe in a god?
 
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I do not believe, because I do not find the concept to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I?

Why do you believe the concept isn't convincing if you haven't made thoughtful, purposeful and conscious consideration?
 
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I see no reason to believe that.

:)

I do not believe, because I do not find the concept to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I?

Why do you believe the concept isn't convincing if you haven't made thoughtful, purposeful and conscious consideration?

I have consciously and carefully considered the objective, independently verifiable information you just provided.

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I see no reason to believe that.

:)

I do not believe, because I do not find the concept to be convincing, consciously, or subconsciously. Simple as that. Seriously, why should I?

I have consciously and carefully considered the objective, independently verifiable information you just provided.

You've made a conscious decision, you've decided to believe there is no God after conscious, thoughtful and purposeful consideration, haven't you?
 
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