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I missed where you gave us the scripture....can you please present again where you say WE must give birth to Christ.

okay then since you all require signs in order to believe God, though anyone who reads the bible and prays over it and seeks God can quickly learn that what I say is the truth... I will give a few scriptures even though it is only the Word of God that can reveal the truth to you in his bible.

John 3:1-8 (YLT)
And there was a man of the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a ruler of the Jews, this one came unto him by night, and said to him, `Rabbi, we have known that from God thou hast come--a teacher, for no one these signs is able to do that thou dost, if God may not be with him.' Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;' Nicodemus saith unto him, `How is a man able to be born, being old? is he able into the womb of his mother a second time to enter, and to be born?' Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God; that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit. `Thou mayest not wonder that I said to thee, It behoveth you to be born from above; the Spirit where he willeth doth blow, and his voice thou dost hear, but thou hast not known whence he cometh, and whither he goeth; thus is every one who hath been born of the Spirit.'


it is obviously that we are virgins if we abide in Christ and that harlots have no part with God.

1Cor 6:15-20 (YLT)
Have ye not known that your bodies are members of Christ? having taken, then, the members of the Christ, shall I make them members of an harlot? let it be not! have ye not known that he who is joined to the harlot is one body? `for they shall be--saith He--the two for one flesh.' And he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit; flee the whoredom; every sin--whatever a man may commit--is without the body, and he who is committing whoredom, against his own body doth sin. Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own, for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

Christ being joined to his virgin soul makes the soul part of his body in a divine marriage which is why it is said that we give birth to Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.

1Cor 12:27 (YLT)
and ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.


this is the exact spirit of mary:

2Cor 5:14-17 (YLT)
for the love of the Christ doth constrain us, having judged thus: that if one for all died, then the whole died, and for all he died, that those living, no more to themselves may live, but to him who died for them, and was raised again. So that we henceforth have known no one according to the flesh, and even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him no more; so that if any one is in Christ-- he is a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things.

Matt 1:20-23 (YLT)
And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, `Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten is of the Holy Spirit, and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins.' And all this hath come to pass, that it may be fulfilled that was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, `Lo, the virgin shall conceive, and she shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,' which is, being interpreted `With us he is God.'

Luke 1:26-35 (YLT)
And in the sixth month was the messenger Gabriel sent by God, to a city of Galilee, the name of which is Nazareth, to a virgin, betrothed to a man, whose name is Joseph, of the house of David, and the name of the virgin is Mary. And the messenger having come in unto her, said, `Hail, favoured one, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women;' and she, having seen, was troubled at his word, and was reasoning of what kind this salutation may be. And the messenger said to her, `Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favour with God; and lo, thou shalt conceive in the womb, and shalt bring forth a son, and call his name Jesus; he shall be great, and Son of the Highest he shall be called, and the Lord God shall give him the throne of David his father, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob to the ages; and of his reign there shall be no end.' And Mary said unto the messenger, `How shall this be, seeing a husband I do not know?' And the messenger answering said to her, `The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, therefore also the holy-begotten thing shall be called Son of God;


so yes, mary is the figure of the right path to God for the soul gives birth to the spirit of Christ. but those who are carnally minded do not seem to want to point out that unless we ourselves give birth to Christ that we have no life in us.
 
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1. The Nicodemus episode is never interpreted as meaning that we must be as virgins. It means that we must be reborn in some way, have a new start, and it's usually associated with Baptism.

2. Avoiding harlots and harlotry IS NOT the same as remaining a virgin.

3. and the passages which follow and which you say illustrate the "exact spirit of Mary" have nothing to do with your idea about us needing to be Virgin Marys.
 
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According to what you presented only 144,000 will be saved....are you sure you want to make that claim?

I present? no sorry but that is what God presents and YOU are the one that understands it as a literal 144000 virgins. do they also not have sex, those men who are with Christ?
 
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I present? no sorry but that is what God presents and YOU are the one that understands it as a literal 144000 virgins. do they also not have sex, those men who are with Christ?
A literal 144,000 virgins?????
 
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A literal 144,000 virgins?????
Well that is exactly what is said regarding the 144,000 redeemed Jews.
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. (Rev 14:4).

Not sure what this has to do with the cult of Swedenborg.
 
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1. The Nicodemus episode is never interpreted as meaning that we must be as virgins. It means that we must be reborn in some way, have a new start, and it's usually associated with Baptism.

2. Avoiding harlots and harlotry IS NOT the same as remaining a virgin.

3. and the passages which follow and which you say illustrate the "exact spirit of Mary" have nothing to do with your idea about us needing to be Virgin Marys.

do you know what a virgin is? a virgin is a soul that is dead to the world and to their old outer man and who is alive to God, which is why they conceive of God and give birth to Christ. the figure of the virgin is also put forth in the figure of being crucified with Christ. if you are a new creature then it is obvious who it is that gave birth to Christ and if you are new then you are a virgin.
 
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okay then since you all require signs in order to believe God, though anyone who reads the bible and prays over it and seeks God can quickly learn that what I say is the truth...

I've done that...God says you're presenting a false gospel that will damn people to hell. Stop.
 
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I've done that...God says you're presenting a false gospel that will damn people to hell. Stop.

people damn themselves to hell for not being a virgin and giving birth to Christ. perfect love cast out fear. cast your fear out and then you shall hear God clearly.
 
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people damn themselves to hell for not being a virgin and giving birth to Christ. perfect love cast out fear. cast your fear out and then you shall hear God clearly.

Under your rules....you damned yourself to hell.
I trust you understand why I reject your "theology"
 
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To those following this thread....I just updated my bible and changed up John 3:16 to force it to conform to swedenborgism.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him....becomes a virgin and births Christ... should not perish but have eternal life.

also Romans 10:9 has been adapted to conform to Swedenborgism...

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, becomes a virgin and births Christ, you will be saved.

Posters, I'm looking for help with a few more verses we can add to to support Swedenborgism.
 
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Under your rules....you damned yourself to hell.
I trust you understand why I reject your "theology"
you damned me to hell but i'm with God in heaven already.

you have always been the one who proclaims what God says and you justify it with your understanding of the bible. it does not mean that is what God really says, it just means that is what you are able to receive.
 
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you damned me to hell but i'm with God in heaven already

No, I don't damn you to hell...you damn yourself.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

....you are preaching a contrary gospel. Do you see the warning?
 
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No, I don't damn you to hell...you damn yourself.
Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

....you are preaching a contrary gospel. Do you see the warning?

prove that it is not you who are the one deceived by a devil who appears to be an angel of light. look at the apostle paul, you are not better than him and yet he was deceived by the devil too, until Christ appeared to him.
 
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prove that it is not you who are the one deceived by a devil who appears to be an angel of light. look at the apostle paul, you are not better than him and yet he was deceived by the devil too, until Christ appeared to him.

The problem for you is that it has been shown to you how Swedenborg has been deceived....and you are following the lie hook line and sinker.

You have been asked to support Swedenborgs lies...and you think just because you find a verses that contains the word "virgin" in it...then misquote it....you have supported the aformentioned lie.
 
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The problem for you is that it has been shown to you how Swedenborg has been deceived....and you are following the lie hook line and sinker.

You have been asked to support Swedenborgs lies...and you think just because you find a verses that contains the word "virgin" in it...then misquote it....you have supported the aformentioned lie.

nah but you are following hook line and sinker the common and dead Christianity of the masses.
 
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To those following this thread....I just updated my bible and changed up John 3:16 to force it to conform to swedenborgism.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him....becomes a virgin and births Christ... should not perish but have eternal life.

also Romans 10:9 has been adapted to conform to Swedenborgism...

If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, becomes a virgin and births Christ, you will be saved.

Posters, I'm looking for help with a few more verses we can add to to support Swedenborgism.

This is not a Swedenborgian belief.
 
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In a previous post i started to address this issue when i said:..."After the resurrection there will be two judgements....the White Throne for the non-believers and the Judgement (bema) seat of Christ for the believers."

It is at the Bema seat that what you have done good will be judged.

Jesus isn't talking about two judgments, but rather, two resurrections. The resurrection of life is of those who do good; the resurrection of condemnation is of those who do evil.
 
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nah but you are following hook line and sinker the common and dead Christianity of the masses.

If I'm to understand you....ONLY those that believe in the unbiblical frustrated words of Swedenborg...are saved.
Presbyterians, dead. Baptist, dead. Methodist, dead. Luther, dead. Assembly of God, dead. Every denomination pre-Swedenbord...DEAD. Eastern orthodox, dead... All these denominations pre-swedenbord...DEAD.
Only when Swedenborg presents the bible in it's complicated fabricated light rather than the plain, simple and easy to understand light....are dead.

To you I have to say this...
NEXT.
 
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