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Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days separated by 1000 years+?

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You have not convinced me that God does not have 2 Lord's Day. You have not convinced me this creation was not divided up into ages. The world has not changed, except for the Flood: 2 Peter 3:6

6 and that by means of these things the world of that time was flooded with water and destroyed.

So was the world destroyed or the age, if we stick with your metrics?
 
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Yes time started at creation. Still ages plural exist in this time. Either that or you contradict those verses that claim plural ages.

That describes eternity. Please read the evidence.
 
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There are two ages - this age and the age to come. We are looking at time and eternity.
 
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The NHNE is not eternity. It is just the next reality.

The NHNE is what we inherit when Jesus comes again. It is what he originally prepared for Man from the foundation of the world , which was very good , because it was sin free, death free with free access to the tree of life for those who believe in his Son.

Rev 22
12 “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.



Jesus reward when he comes is to grant access to the TOL. Why is there a problem in believing that?
To put it another way...,

Matt 25
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;


Did not God invite us to eat from any tree in the garden from the foundation of the world?

Yes he did, and he will do so again when he appears a second time in the glory of his Father to restore all things.

Act 3
18 But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.



Christ will come and restore all things in righteous judgment by removing all elements of the curse since the fall of man. Peoples from the whole world will be saved and inherit what was promised.
When Jesus comes again he will say to us...,
Come, inherit the kingdom prepared for you since the foundation of the world. Matt 25
 
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Jeff! Welcome to the forum. I agree with you and sovereigngrace completely. Scripture repeatedly pictures Christ's second coming as being climactic. He will restore all things to a perfect state on that day. He will put an end to death, sin, pain and sorrow once and for all. What a glorious day that will be!

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

This passages shows that Jesus will come again at " the end". The end of what? The end of the age or world (Greek: aion).

Jesus is coming at the end of the age.

Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

This agrees with Paul who said He is coming at "the end". Notice that at the end, Paul said that Jesus then hands over or delivers the kingdom to God the Father. That lines up with this passage:

Matthew 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

It is at the end of the age that "the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Clearly, this shows that the kingdom is handed over to the Father at the end of the age, which is when Christ comes (Matt 24:3). This shows that "the end" Paul talked about happens when Christ comes and not 1000+ years later.
 
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There are two ages - this age and the age to come. We are looking at time and eternity.
Peter claims there are two worlds. One before the Flood and one after the Flood. Two ages before the Cross. Paul claims ages plural. Do you refute their heresy? Ephesians 2:7, 3:5, 3:21, and Colossians 1:26
 
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Paradise is the Garden of Eden. It was restored on the Cross. One has to physically die to enter, because Adam's flesh and blood cannot enter it. It is off limits to all of Adam's descendants. It is opened to all of those who place their selves in Christ. That is by accepting the free gift of Atonement. The Cross. You do not literally place yourself. You are technically already there. You just have to accept that position in Christ. The alternative is to reject the Atonement, and tell God you can do it all on your own.

Well Christ did go back and create present reality, and Adam still sinned and put every one under a 6000 year curse. To straighten it all out now, there will be one final Lord's Day. Then the NHNE.
 
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You claim all is destroyed and made right. Does the right kingdom only last for a day? Is that a Lord's Day? Why would Christ only hand over a less than 24 hour kingdom?

The claim, "well it was the last 2000 years". So Christ hands over a sin filled kingdom that He just destroyed?
 
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You keep claiming this but you are slow to provide Scripture. Where is the coming of the Lord called the Lord's Day?
 
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Welcome to the board bro. Long time no see. Great to see you posting.

WPM
 
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You keep claiming this but you are slow to provide Scripture. Where is the coming of the Lord called the Lord's Day?
He gets that from 2 Peter 3 and he believes that 2 Peter 3:8 indicates that the day of the Lord (Lord's Day) is 1000 years in duration. I've tried to explain that he needs to look at 2 Peter 3:9 for the context which shows that "the day is as a thousand years" relates to the Lord's patience in giving people time to repent, but to no avail.
 
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But he is foisting his 'week theory' upon the text when is not there. It doesn’t say that in 2 Peter 3.
 
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Peter claims there are two worlds. One before the Flood and one after the Flood. Two ages before the Cross. Paul claims ages plural. Do you refute their heresy? Ephesians 2:7, 3:5, 3:21, and Colossians 1:26

Why would you claim Paul is teaching heresy?
 
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But he is foisting his 'week theory' upon the text when is not there. It doesn’t say that in 2 Peter 3.
Right, it doesn't say that at all. It also doesn't say that the day of the Lord is a thousand years. He frequently misses the context of scripture.
 
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Right, it doesn't say that at all. It also doesn't say that the day of the Lord is a thousand years. He frequently misses the context of scripture.

This is typical of Premil hermeneutics. It is full of multiple preconceptions and false assumptions, not explicit scriptural teaching. When challenged, there is no definite or compelling foundation for their arguments.
 
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To straighten it all out now, there will be one final Lord's Day. Then the NHNE.

The time is now to straighten it all out by bringing people to repentance while Jesus remains in heaven. This Gospel age is the period of the restoration of all things through grace, faith and repentance.

Act 3
18 But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.

19 Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20 and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you,
21 whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.


Jesus will therefore come with his Angels to take out vengeance on those who did not repent, the same day he leaves heaven to Glorify all the redeemed who will inherit the eternal kingdom of the Father.

2Thess 1
6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.


So the age to come after his coming from heaven is the Eternal one.

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Matthew 13:40As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

It is at the end of the age that "the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Clearly, this shows that the kingdom is handed over to the Father at the end of the age, which is when Christ comes (Matt 24:3). This shows that "the end" Paul talked about happens when Christ comes and not 1000+ years later.
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You keep claiming this but you are slow to provide Scripture. Where is the coming of the Lord called the Lord's Day?
Day of the Lord, Day with the Lord, the Lord’s Day. Genesis 2:4

"On the day when Adonai, God, made earth and heaven."

Exodus 20:8-11

8 “Remember the day, Shabbat, to set it apart for God.
9 You have six days to labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is a Shabbat for Adonai your God. On it, you are not to do any kind of work — not you, your son or your daughter, not your male or female slave, not your livestock, and not the foreigner staying with you inside the gates to your property.
11 For in six days, Adonai made heaven and earth, the sea and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. This is why Adonai blessed the day, Shabbat, and separated it for himself."

Day of Adonai, the Lord's Day.
 
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