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[Achichem]

Let us suppose I hold in my hand right now a how to map of “How God simply came just to exist” (how God came of nothing).

Would this help you in any way? Would this change any of your minds in anyway?

 

[goat37]

Let us suppose I hold in my hand right now a how to map of “How God simply came just to exist” (how God came of nothing).

Would this help you in any way? Would this change any of your minds in anyway?

Well, I don't know what that has to do with anything... but if it were written by God himself or the nothing that created God, then I'd take a look at it.

I don't see what it would change my mind about though.

 

[Dayton]

Probably not. They are so wrapped up in their preconceived beliefs that nothing anyone says or does will convince them.

 

[goat37]

Probably not. They are so wrapped up in their preconceived beliefs that nothing anyone says or does will convince them.

Do you even know what preconceived means, dayton?

If you did, then you would know that it describes YOU, not us.

You read a book, got the idea in your head that it was completely true, and refuse to accept anything else that the book doesn't say, or says otherwise.

We on the other hand, are willing to change our minds and flex our ideas with the addition of new evidence, facts, experiements, etc...

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Probably not. They are so wrapped up in their preconceived beliefs that nothing anyone says or does will convince them.

Of course that's utter nonsense when you consider the recent poll:

http://www.christianforums.com/t49906

That indicated the majority of creationist respondants would not reject creationism regardless of the evidence whereas 100% of those who accepted the theory of evolution would be willing to reject the theory upon falsification and new evidence pointing to another explanation.

Creationists are the ones wrapped up in preconceived beliefs. You even substantiate this when you claim that although young earth creationism is not supported by evidence in any way, you must believe it regardless. You are the one with the preconceived conclusions. Facts mean nothing to you--only your preconceived conclusions derived from a particular interpretation which is demonstrably false of a religious text.

 

[revolutio]

Sure I guess I would have to believe in God then. I am agnostic so it wouldn't ruffel many feathers.

However it would require a good bit more to get me to believe in the Christian God as portrayed in the Bible.

 

[goat37]

Sure I guess I would have to believe in God then. I am agnostic so it wouldn't ruffel many feathers.

However it would require a good bit more to get me to believe in the Christian God as portrayed in the Bible.

Yea... I usually give them two tasks.

1. Prove God exists.
2. Prove YOUR God exists.

I hope that God exists, it would be a bummer if there was no God. But I'd rather there be no God then the Christian God.

 

[Philosoft]

Let us suppose I hold in my hand right now a how to map of “How God simply came just to exist” (how God came of nothing).

Would this help you in any way? Would this change any of your minds in anyway?

How would I go about validating such a source? The origin of God is bound to be couched in some completely esoteric jargon, if it's even something that can be put into words. As far as I know, God's emergence from the Eternal Jelly Doughnut cocoon is as good an explanation as any.

 

[armed2010]

If it could be completly verifiable and was absolutely true, and proved that there is a god that exists at this moment, I probably would start believing in religion. Wether it proved the christian god or not, is another question. If this map showed which religion the god belonged to, then I would probably go to that religion. This is only on the basis that this document has resisted all attempts to falsify it, makes complete sense, and all that good stuff.

 

[Jet Black]

Let us suppose I hold in my hand right now a how to map of “How God simply came just to exist” (how God came of nothing).

Would this help you in any way? Would this change any of your minds in anyway?

interesting. If you had an explanation of how something came from nothing, then the big bang has no problem either

but if you had an explanation of how God specifically did it, and it was verifiable and there were methods by which one could attempt to falsify it, and all these methods failed, and hopefully some predictions that could be made from this map, then I would have no problem with a God at all.

 

[Jet Black]

Probably not. They are so wrapped up in their preconceived beliefs that nothing anyone says or does will convince them.

I find this ironic considering your signiature which basically says "I have preconcieved beliefs that nothing anyone says or does will convince me otherwise."

 

[SirKenin]

I don't see what it would change my mind about though.

We on the other hand, are willing to change our minds and flex our ideas with the addition of new evidence, facts, experiements, etc...

These two statements don't coincide. Just thought I would point that out.

Anyways, it's really interesting how several people dodged the posed question. You answered the question "how" quite aptly, but you failed to address the real issue, "if".

 

[SirKenin]

Of course that's utter nonsense when you consider the recent poll:

http://www.christianforums.com/t49906

That indicated the majority of creationist respondants would not reject creationism regardless of the evidence whereas 100% of those who accepted the theory of evolution would be willing to reject the theory upon falsification and new evidence pointing to another explanation.

Creationists are the ones wrapped up in preconceived beliefs.

I guess I'm an oddball then. I used to be a YEC about 20 years ago. Since then, as new evidence emerges, I slowly change my views to coincide with the facts. That doesn't mean I believe in Creationism or Evolutionism. I don't. I do however think that speciation occured, and that God used it as part of the creation process. That's where I'm at so far.

 

[Jet Black]

I guess I'm an oddball then. I used to be a YEC about 20 years ago. Since then, as new evidence emerges, I slowly change my views to coincide with the facts. That doesn't mean I believe in Creationism or Evolutionism. I don't. I do however think that speciation occured, and that God used it as part of the creation process. That's where I'm at so far.

umm... if you believe in speciation, you believe in evolutionism

you might be getting confused and thinking that evolutionism = atheism.... because it doesn't!

and you aren't an oddball at all, I suppose this is the route most theistic evolutionists have taken.

(do you think I dodged the if question?)

 

[Freodin]

Let us suppose I hold in my hand right now a how to map of “How God simply came just to exist” (how God came of nothing).

Would this help you in any way? Would this change any of your minds in anyway?

Depends.

Can I see this map? Can I check it? IS it testable at all?

Then, yes, if the tests came our true, I would be inclined to change my mind.


But why do you ask this question at all? IF such a testable evidence for God existed, would that not "force" us to believe, thus negating the "faith" that God holds in such a high regard? At least, that is what many Christians claim.

For if that was not so, I could think of quite a few ways how God could show that at least creationism was true.

Simplest way: create some new animal species, testable unrelated to existing species.

 

[Jet Black]

Simplest way: create some new animal species, testable unrelated to existing species.

he could have already done this. as it happens, he hasn't.

 

[Freodin]

he could have already done this. as it happens, he hasn't.

And there would be so many possibilities!

Look at Pegasi for example. There has never been a six-limbed mammal on earth, let alone a winged one. Let him create one of those in the middle of Times Square - that would be a proof for creationism!