Supporting Trump -- calculation for 2024?

[Albion]

Oh .. so I guess we can cut all the nonsense about moral value , family value, Christian value, character, conservative ideas, it’s all about who is most popular.

That seems like a strange conclusion, my friend. Of course popularity is what gets people elected! No one gets elected if no one wants him in office. The fact is that not everyone appraises Trump's record as you do.

Of course Walker did badly in 2016 primary, after all as you said “perfectly likeable and respected figure” and I might add “solid conservative record” doesn’t mean any thing, he wasn’t Trump.

Let's be frank about this. To succeed in a run for the presidency, you have to have a lot of things going for you. Many people in the past didn't make the grade although they probably would have been wonderful as Presidents.

One of the attributes that seems to be needed is charisma. Scott Walker, despite all his other qualities, was perceived to be indecisive or unprepared and rather colorless. Anything's possible in politics, but since you asked, I'd call him a longshot. I don't, in fact, expect him to enter the race.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I don't think people will go with a 78 yr old man. Yeah he understands economics but does not have any understanding of human culture or science.

Trump doesn’t understand economics, either, unless he was just lying when he (and his administration) argued that the tax cuts would pay for themselves and that we would win the trade war with china.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

That seems like a strange conclusion, my friend. Of course popularity is what gets people elected! No one gets elected if no one wants him in office. The fact is that not everyone appraises Trump's record as you do.


Let's be frank about this. To succeed in a run for the presidency, you have to have a lot of things going for you. Many people in the past didn't make the grade although they probably would have been wonderful as Presidents.

One of the attributes that seems to be needed is charisma. Scott Walker, despite all his other qualities, was perceived to be indecisive or unprepared and rather colorless. Anything's possible in politics, but since you asked, I'd call him a longshot. I don't, in fact, expect him to enter the race.

I admire your honesty, it is not about “moral value, family value, Christian value, character, conservative ideas” , it is about popularity , Charisma or who gets the most vote. Well that is how someone consider electable, a person who can drive people to vote for him. They are the only one who win election.

I guess I was right all along that evangelical Christian do lip service and talk about “ morality, pro -life, Christian value or character” , but they really don’t mean any of that, all they care is “ who can win “ election for them”. As a Christian myself, I am ashamed of these Christian, they are no better then rest of the world who measure everything with success and failure.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Mark 8:36

 

[DaisyDay]

I don't think people will go with a 78 yr old man. Yeah he understands economics but does not have any understanding of human culture or science.

He filed for bankruptcy six times. His understanding seems flawed, at best.

 

[Belk]

Biden at 78 is too old to be President in 2021 but Trump at 78 in 2024 will be just fine?

Well, he is the most perfect human specimen that has ever lived and could live to be 200+ easily.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If Cruz runs he won't get my vote. He's a loudmouthed grandstanding do-nothing senator. Not a quality I want in a president - especially the do-nothing part. I'm sick of those who grandstand for the plebeians while doing nothing about anything when all is said and done.

He's the epitome of all thats wrong with the republican party. Plus, hes a dominionist, which affects what he thinks policy should be, in my opinion negatively.

 

[Albion]

I hope “Core Conservative Republican” who somewhat stayed out of the spot light past 4 years will get the attention such as Scott Walker of WI , Jeb Bush of Florida , Paul Ryan of WI for the good of the country.

With the exception of Walker, those are considered to be "Me-Too" or liberal Republicans by Republican voters. Their kind is rapidly becoming the equivalent of Blue Dog Democrats who once mattered but barely exist anymore.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Let’s say in 2023 GOP primary Trump vs Scott Walker, a soft spoken, a born-again Christian, with solid conservative record and Social conservatives record which are valued by Evangelical . Who do you think you will support , Trump or Walker ?

Had Carson not dropped out my entire inlaw family and my husband and I would have voted for him. Hes a good Christian, extremely rare and couldn't hardly get any votes.

Face it, no one wants an actual Christian in office, not even the Christians.

And no, people like Cruz dont make my cut of a good Christian man.

People like wolves in sheep's clothing.. apparently. Well if we are going that route I'll take an actual wolf, it's at least honest, and they aren't afraid to do what actually needs done.

Sounds like people are ready to support the same type again and again, having learned not one thing. Goodbye republican party.

 

[jayem]

I’d like to see John Kasich have another go at it. I voted for him in the 2016 primary. He was 3rd in votes, behind Trump and Ted Cruz. He’s an old school, less doctrinaire conservative Republican—like my former Senator, John Danforth. Or Everett Dirksen. Or maybe even Dwight Eisenhower. We badly need more Republicans like these. He’s very intelligent, experienced in politics, and knows that our system of government only works through compromise. He won’t shut everything down to get his way. OTOH, he’s not charismatic and definitely not in the Trump camp. He’ll be in his early 70s in 2024. But that’s not so old anymore.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

Had Carson not dropped out my entire inlaw family and my husband and I would have voted for him. Hes a good Christian, extremely rare and couldn't hardly get any votes.

Face it, no one wants an actual Christian in office, not even the Christians.

And no, people like Cruz dont make my cut of a good Christian man.

People like wolves in sheep's clothing.. apparently. Well if we are going that route I'll take an actual wolf, it's at least honest, and they aren't afraid to do what actually needs done.

Sounds like people are ready to support the same type again and again, having learned not one thing. Goodbye republican party.

It’s refreshing to see such honesty in your post. I am ok with Christian vote for “ wolf” as long as they don’t hide behind “ I only support pro-life’ candidate because “ sanitary of life” is so important to me, or “ I support Conservative candidate because Christian value is so important to me” .

Past 40 years evangelical preached about “ moral value, Christian value “ to rest of America, but when it came to chose between a Christian and Trump , in primary they chose Trump. The testament Christian reveled in past 2 elections gave a clear message to non-Christian that “ Our value is not that important to us, winning election is more important to us then our value”

 

[Tiberius Lee]

With the exception of Walker, those are considered to be "Me-Too" or liberal Republicans by Republican voters. Their kind is rapidly becoming the equivalent of Blue Dog Democrats who once mattered but barely exist anymore.

What conservative value Trump had that Jeb or John Kasich or Ted Cruz didn’t have ?

 

[Tiberius Lee]

I’d like to see John Kasich have another go at it. I voted for him in the 2016 primary. He was 3rd in votes, behind Trump and Ted Cruz. He’s an old school, less doctrinaire conservative Republican—like my former Senator, John Danforth. Or Everett Dirksen. Or maybe even Dwight Eisenhower. We badly need more Republicans like these. He’s very intelligent, experienced in politics, and knows that our system of government only works through compromise. He won’t shut everything down to get his way. OTOH, he’s not charismatic and definitely not in the Trump camp. He’ll be in his early 70s in 2024. But that’s not so old anymore.

I would like him to run , I would vote for him. I am not sure Primary GOP voter consider him republican.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It’s refreshing to see such honesty in your post. I am ok with Christian vote for “ wolf” as long as they don’t hide behind “ I only support pro-life’ candidate because “ sanitary of life” is so important to me, or “ I support Conservative candidate because Christian value is so important to me” .

Past 40 years evangelical preached about “ moral value, Christian value “ to rest of America, but when it came to chose between a Christian and Trump , in primary they chose Trump. The testament Christian reveled in past 2 elections gave a clear message to non-Christian that “ Our value is not that important to us, winning election is more important to us then our value”

It's the fact our values actually matter to us is WHY we voted for Trump. No one else had cared to make policy that matters in decades - period.

Give me good policy and party matters not, nor does personality. Politicians are supposed to stand for policy - not "oh vote for me so I can get rich off my position, policy matters not... but hey, I'm a Christian so its all good'

Not. Government officials do government policy. Period. nothing else matters. They represent us in their policy decisions, it's not a personality contest.

 

[Tiberius Lee]

It's the fact our values actually matter to us is WHY we voted for Trump. No one else had cared to make policy that matters in decades - period.

Give me good policy and party matters not, nor does personality. Politicians are supposed to stand for policy - not "oh vote for me so I can get rich off my position, policy matters not... but hey, I'm a Christian so its all good'

Not. Government officials do government policy. Period. nothing else matters. They represent us in their policy decisions, it's not a personality contest.

Again , it is refreshing to see the honesty in your reply. No difference between Christian and non-Christian. As long as we get what we want, we don’t care where it comes from. It doesn’t matter if we get it from a serial adulteress, as long as we got what we want, why bother with Christian value.

 

[MIDutch]

I don't think people will go with a 78 yr old man. Yeah he understands economics but does not have any understanding of human culture or science.

trump does not understand economics. The only thing he understands is how to make himself richer (no matter what it takes or who it might hurt).

 

[Hazelelponi]

Again , it is refreshing to see the honesty in your reply. No difference between Christian and non-Christian. As long as we get what we want, we don’t care where it comes from. It doesn’t matter if we get it from a serial adulteress, as long as we got what we want, why bother with Christian value.

Such a ridiculous comment. How many actual Christians actually exist in America anyway...? Lots of people talk, but few can seem to recognise one in truth.

We have policy concerns in government, we have Christian concerns in church, home, family, neighborhoods..

It's not "getting what we want" where concerns policy, it's called good governance from a government whose job is to represent the interests of those who are choosing them as their representatives...

They've turned it all into bread and circus in Washington... and here we thought Rome was dead. Not. Yet.

If the republican party goes back to the same old song and dance they just lost a good 25 million voters. Period.

 

[cow451]

That seems like a strange conclusion, my friend. Of course popularity is what gets people elected! No one gets elected if no one wants him in office. The fact is that not everyone appraises Trump's record as you do.


Let's be frank about this. To succeed in a run for the presidency, you have to have a lot of things going for you. Many people in the past didn't make the grade although they probably would have been wonderful as Presidents.

One of the attributes that seems to be needed is charisma. Scott Walker, despite all his other qualities, was perceived to be indecisive or unprepared and rather colorless. Anything's possible in politics, but since you asked, I'd call him a longshot. I don't, in fact, expect him to enter the race.

Which Republican(s) pass your tests for possible nomination for 2024?

 

[cow451]

If Cruz runs he won't get my vote. He's a loudmouthed grandstanding do-nothing senator. Not a quality I want in a president - especially the do-nothing part. I'm sick of those who grandstand for the plebeians while doing nothing about anything when all is said and done.

He's the epitome of all thats wrong with the republican party. Plus, hes a dominionist, which affects what he thinks policy should be, in my opinion negatively.

Please note that you and I agree about Cruz.

 

[mala]

I admire your honesty, it is not about “moral value, family value, Christian value, character, conservative ideas” , it is about popularity , Charisma or who gets the most vote. Well that is how someone consider electable, a person who can drive people to vote for him. They are the only one who win election.

I guess I was right all along that evangelical Christian do lip service and talk about “ morality, pro -life, Christian value or character” , but they really don’t mean any of that, all they care is “ who can win “ election for them”. As a Christian myself, I am ashamed of these Christian, they are no better then rest of the world who measure everything with success and failure.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Mark 8:36

a long held belief of mine is that there are parts of Christianity in this country (and frankly this applies to many religions across the world) that believe they in many way own their god. this then gives them the license to do as they please.

 

[Basil the Great]

I’d like to see John Kasich have another go at it. I voted for him in the 2016 primary. He was 3rd in votes, behind Trump and Ted Cruz. He’s an old school, less doctrinaire conservative Republican—like my former Senator, John Danforth. Or Everett Dirksen. Or maybe even Dwight Eisenhower. We badly need more Republicans like these. He’s very intelligent, experienced in politics, and knows that our system of government only works through compromise. He won’t shut everything down to get his way. OTOH, he’s not charismatic and definitely not in the Trump camp. He’ll be in his early 70s in 2024. But that’s not so old anymore.

I would break my 6 straight Presidential election streak of voting 3rd Party, if John Kasich were to get the nomination in 2024. However, I fear that his endorsement of Biden doomed his chances.