support needed for current D&D admins

[NeTrips]

Good morning folks,

"It has come to light that a group potentially consisting of staff members and former D&D staff members are supposedly circulating a petition to have Adiya and possibly Ben removed from staff without any input from the regular D&D members. This is supposedly being conducted via PM and as such it is apparently being done in secret without member input and visibility.

I strongly feel that Ben's and Adiya's leadershipe and style of moderation is a vast improvement on the previous D&D leadership and moderation style and think many of you would agree.

I ask all those who are supportive of Adiya and Ben and how they are leading the D&D areas to indicate their support in this thread.

Thank you.

'trips"

 

[Phred]

Adiya will always have my support. As an admin and as a human being.

 

[WatersMoon110]

As a relative newbie, I am wondering a few things.

Why do these people want these Mods removed?
Why should they not be removed?

Because, while there seems to be plenty of urgency and persuasive points in your post, I don't know any of the facts that would help me (and other confused people) to understand what is going on and what we are being asked to do about it.

[Edit] I want to stress, since I don't think I did, that it would be nice to know:
What are you asking us to do?

 

[NeTrips]

Water Moon - one major thing is that non-christians now have a say in what goes on. Another is that the forums are now much more open. Reports are dealt with publicly and not in sekrit in closed forums or thru IM.

I find it odd that those opposed to the current admins are staff from other areas of the site and former staff....

I like how it is today and wish it to stay the same as it is steadily improving for all.

 

[WatersMoon110]

Ok - I'm trying to get together some links to information about this.
http://foru.ms/t6004614-protocol-violation-in-action-on-report.html
http://foru.ms/t6014037-sick-or-not-im-staying-im-not-going-to-let-anybody-bully-me.html
http://foru.ms/t6074521-conflict-of-interest-in-appeals-review.html
http://foru.ms/t6074429-what-kind-of-crack-house-are-you-running-here.html
http://foru.ms/t6078041-adiya-review-request-from-suzybeezy.html
http://foru.ms/t6084539-adiya-by-rainygirl.html

I'm not sure if this one is related:
http://foru.ms/t6073175-staff-publishing-private-messages-without-asking-first.html

That is what I have so far.

Oh, and to look psychic, I want to say that invisible trousers' link isn't working and I registered. I get a 404, because the php statement is missing from the address, and when I include it (http://iidb.org/vbb//showthread.php?t=218102) I get a message that says I don't have permission to view that page. Maybe I have to wait for my registration to be approved?

 

[invisible trousers]

As an uninterested outside observer I'd like to note that your appraisal of the situation appears to be incomplete, at least from other things I've read about this at IIDB (requires registration) and seen in actual report threads, such as Adiya appearing to appoint herself to a review committee (I think that's the right term?) on a report made against her, and some other potential egregious behavior the details of which I haven't paid attention to, much like most of this issue.

Like I said, I'm an uninterested outside observer so I might be slightly incorrect in my statements above, but just keep in mind there appears to be more to this than meets the eye

 

[suzybeezy]

As an uninterested outside observer I'd like to note that your appraisal of the situation appears to be incomplete, at least from other things I've read about this at IIDB (requires registration) and seen in actual report threads, such as Adiya appearing to appoint herself to a review committee (I think that's the right term?) on a report made against her, and some other potential egregious behavior the details of which I haven't paid attention to, much like most of this issue.

Like I said, I'm an uninterested outside observer so I might be slightly incorrect in my statements above, but just keep in mind there appears to be more to this than meets the eye

There is DEFINATELY more than meets the eye!!!!

And for the record, I left staff before the 7/7/7 reforms, and have been asked REPEATEDLY to return to staff. I have declined each and every single time.

I have no personal vendetta and have no desire to return to staff.

You can say what you want about the "old" admins, but we had rules we had no choice to adhere to and despite my personal best efforts to get some of those issues changed, I hit a brick wall with the exec team. That was the system in place at the time. I so wish the old reports and threads would be opened for viewing so you could see how much personal effort I put into trying to ensure fairness and consistency.

But I have a stellar reputation, and keep in mind was voted the first ever Mod of the month - of all the members on staff at the time, members chose me! So I must not be all that bad. I would never make an unfounded accusation. Everything I have reported, at the instruction of the Review Committee, was provided linked evidence to support my claim. And its not just one accusation its a lot , and not just from me, multiple members and staff. Again - all with supporting linked evidence!

As far as the petition, per recall protocol, that is a necessary step. That is the way the wiki is structured.

 

[""]

As an uninterested outside observer I'd like to note that your appraisal of the situation appears to be incomplete, at least from other things I've read about this at IIDB (requires registration) and seen in actual report threads, such as Adiya appearing to appoint herself to a review committee (I think that's the right term?) on a report made against her, and some other potential egregious behavior the details of which I haven't paid attention to, much like most of this issue.

Like I said, I'm an uninterested outside observer so I might be slightly incorrect in my statements above, but just keep in mind there appears to be more to this than meets the eye

This is incorrect. I have not appointed myself to a review committee for a report against myself. The interesting part is this: The signature thread for the appeals, is invisible, except to staff. Therefore it is interesting that some are being fed incorrect information. This means that you, and suzy, and CaDan, and all of the others accusing me of signing up for an appeal against myself, can't even see what I actually did sign up for. Why is that?

I have signed up for an Appeal against Ben Johnson.
- Ben Johnson issued a forum specific ban against SuzyBeezy. The FSB was supported by members of the Review Committee. Suzybeezy is claiming that Ben lied about this, and that there was no support. I am Ben Johnson's team mate. I have evidence to demonstrate that there was indeed support from members of the Review Committee for suzy's ban.

I have signed up for an Appeal against Arborvita.


I am not signed up for any appeal against myself.
I signed up for the appeal against Ben Johnson because I was told by a SuperA that it was a good idea to sign up for appeals against my team mates, including Ben Johnson. So I did.

Why don't you people ask me what I'm doing, instead of talking about it behind my back? Why would you not come to me and ask for facts? Why are these threads hidden from view? Why can't you see them? It's all supposed to be public right? Why isn't it? If it were public, you'd see that I have done nothing wrong.

 

[suzybeezy]

Hmmm,

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38697231&postcount=25

then look at:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38751550&postcount=30

Answer - who is constance responding to in that quote?

Not to mention - supported by Erwin himself - http://foru.ms/t6074521-conflict-of-interest-in-appeals-review.html

 

[flicka]

Some people spend way too much time worrying about forum politics.

 

[Athene]

As a relative newbie, I am wondering a few things.

Why do these people want these Mods removed?
Why should they not be removed?

And, less importantly, what were the "old ways" of Moderation, and how have these two Mods improved things?

Because, while there seems to be plenty of urgency and persuasive points in your post, I don't know any of the facts that would help me (and other confused people) to understand what is going on and how we can help.

[Edit] I want to stress, since I don't think I did, that it would be nice to know:
What can we do to help?

The funny thing is, I don't. The only serious disagreement I have had with Adiya was over a proposal for a new team and from that I'm suddenly part of this conspiracy to get rid of her from staff. I was very surprised to see my name on Adiya's list of people who are allegedly out to get her. I'm not out to get her, I just didn't think a new team was needed to moderate a forum my team is already looking after plus a couple of very low activity support forums which are looked after by support.

Why should I NOT be removed from staff . . . because these accusations against me are unfounded.

 

[Crazy Liz]

For those around during the Iddie and Suzy regime in D&D, you all have memories to draw on as to what this could mean. I for one, am not in any way, shape, or form in favor of returning to the old ways and the methods of moderation the D&D forum members were subjected to.

I ask all those who are supportive of Adiya and Ben and how they are leading the D&D areas to indicate their support in this thread.

Thank you.

'trips

I had plenty of quarrels with Iddie & Suzy when they ran the Debate team & when I was on staff.

It does not necessarily follow that the present administration is any improvement.

 

[vatuck]

You know, it sounds to me like there is too much quarreling going on and we are all caught in the middle of it. Those of us who are Christians should be getting a little embarrassed by the whole thing by now. This is no way to act.

 

[.Sabre.]

Why don't people just stop bickering?

 

[Crazy Liz]

Hmmm,

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38697231&postcount=25

then look at:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38751550&postcount=30

Answer - who is constance responding to in that quote?

Not to mention - supported by Erwin himself - http://foru.ms/t6074521-conflict-of-interest-in-appeals-review.html

You might also want to look at this:

Appeals

appealer : the member who filed the appeal
staff party : the staff member(s) whose decision(s) is/are being appealed
appeal panel : the group of administrators that handles a particular appeal

The Feedback button may be used to initiate an appeal on all staff decision that do one or more of the following :
- modify or remove part or whole of a member’s posts or profile
- restrict one or more particular members’ ability to post or send PMs.

Appeals will be heard by a panel of 3 administrators, forming the appeal panel. Members of the staff party cannot reside in the appeal panel. If possible, an administrator of the team to which the staff party belongs should reside in the appeal panel.

http://foru.ms/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_appeals

Adiya, are you seriously claiming that you were not one of the people who made this decision,given all the evidence posted in the appeal?

 

[""]

You might also want to look at this:

Appeals

appealer : the member who filed the appeal
staff party : the staff member(s) whose decision(s) is/are being appealed
appeal panel : the group of administrators that handles a particular appeal

The Feedback button may be used to initiate an appeal on all staff decision that do one or more of the following :
- modify or remove part or whole of a member’s posts or profile
- restrict one or more particular members’ ability to post or send PMs.

Appeals will be heard by a panel of 3 administrators, forming the appeal panel. Members of the staff party cannot reside in the appeal panel. If possible, an administrator of the team to which the staff party belongs should reside in the appeal panel.

http://foru.ms/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_appeals

Adiya, are you seriously claiming that you were not one of the people who made this decision,given all the evidence posted in the appeal?

The appeal is accusing Ben of lying about having support from the Review Committee members, whose names were mentioned in the FSB.

Ben is accused of lying.

I am not Ben.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Get some perspective, please.

The appeal is of a FSB issued by your teammate at your direction, after you consulted the Review Committee about it. Any accusation of lying is incidental to the need for a decision about whether the FSB should have been issued. You were a party to the decision Suzybeezy appealed, and are therefore disqualified, according to the Appeals rules.

 

[Crazy Liz]

BTW, who told Ben he had the support of the Review Committee? Even if his lying were to become an issue, how could the appeal panel establish that he was or was not lying without you as a witness?

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Some people spend way too much time worrying about forum politics.

What on earth do you mean? Are you suggesting that there's actually a world outside these forums?!

 

[I'ddie4him2]

BTW, who told Ben he had the support of the Review Committee? Even if his lying were to become an issue, how could the appeal panel establish that he was or was not lying without you as a witness?

I have a copy of the review and know the truth here.
I have seen the pms sent back and forth and know how this went down.
I can say right here and now this was not done completely honestly and Admins from another team MUST be brought in to hear this appeal to be fair and consistent.