Superman Returns

[Yusuf Evans]

Did anybody see the Teaser Trailer for Superman Returns? If not, you can go to www.supermanreturns.com to check it out. Man, I though the scene where he was leaping across the cornfield, and the people looking up at him was awesome. June 30,2006. Already marked on my calendar.

 

[kurabrhm]

I hope the original Superman would be proud. May he rest in peace.

 

[awesome liver]

i hope this one will be more like x-men 2 than x-men 1. the first movie was horrible, but the second movie was a good time. so hopefully the second film was not a mistake and was bryan singer finding his groove for action.

 

[Calmness]

It is probably the movie that I am most inticipating!

I am also greatly relieved that they didn't end up casting Nicolos Cage. I know at one point he was being considered.

 

[shinbits]

In some ways, I feel like the Superman series is a classic that shouldn't be touched, like making another Godfather. Superman isn't on GodFather's level, but just so you get the point.

I feel like the new Superman has a heavy burden of pressure to carry, the way Pierce Brosnen did when he became the first new Bond after Sean Connery, who played the part brilliantly and without flaw. Furthermore, all the love and emotion to Mr. Reeve, due to his unfortunate accident, and his very said death, is something that many fans will have in thier hearts as they see this film.

Also, because of how superbly Christopher Reeve played both Clark Kent and Superman, the new guy has a near impossible acting goal post.
The best way to get around this challenge, is to go a whole new direction with the the Clark Kent character.


Either way, I think this will be something I'll enjoy.

 

[shinbits]

I am also greatly relieved that they didn't end up casting Nicolos Cage. I know at one point he was being considered.

Mad TV had a sploof of this, where because it was Nick Cage, they showed preview of a drunk Superman, woozy and flying into buildings.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

It is probably the movie that I am most inticipating!

I am also greatly relieved that they didn't end up casting Nicolos Cage. I know at one point he was being considered.

Yeah, I could see Nick Cage playing Superman . That would be pretty hillarious. Also, Josh Hartnett was asked for the role as well. Allot of people would like to have seen Tom Welling of Smallville play the part, but I'm glad he turned it down. All I can say is that Brandon Routh at least looks like Superman and Clark Kent from both the trailers I have seen and his pics. Let's hope he can pull it off like Christopher Reeves did in Superman I and II. Thre and Four just blew in my opinion. Either way, this ought to be an awesome movie. Also, pay attention to all the new movies coming out at around the same time frame. X Men 3 was rushed to be put out before Superman, so you know there's going to be some competition this summer.

 

[WalkOn]

X-Men 3 wasn't rushed to beat superman. The reason why they had to do X-Men 3 when they did was because it is very difficult to get such a high profile ensemble cast back to do a movie. Plus, Memorial day weekend is one of the 3 best summer spots to open in.

I will see Superman Returns because of Bryan Singer, but that's about it. I know somehow he can make it turn out good even though from what I have been reading I will have some/many gripes with the story. Plus, I don't like Brandon Routh at all for Supes...and don't get me started on the suit. But, despite all that I know Bryan Singer will create an enjoyable film. I have enjoyed all of Singer's movies (Usual Suspects, X-Men and especially X2).

 

[awesome liver]

X-Men 3 wasn't rushed to beat superman. The reason why they had to do X-Men 3 when they did was because it is very difficult to get such a high profile ensemble cast back to do a movie. Plus, Memorial day weekend is one of the 3 best summer spots to open in.

I will see Superman Returns because of Bryan Singer, but that's about it. I know somehow he can make it turn out good even though from what I have been reading I will have some/many gripes with the story. Plus, I don't like Brandon Routh at all for Supes...and don't get me started on the suit. But, despite all that I know Bryan Singer will create an enjoyable film. I have enjoyed all of Singer's movies (Usual Suspects, X-Men and especially X2).

yes it was. the script is sub-par, but the head of fox is like a little kid that didn't get his way. both sequels were dragged along because the head of fox dislikes the property and didn't sign singer to a contract to get him and his crew to start working immediately. so while singer was waiting the word for the green light for the 3rd film, something better came along and he chose to make superman and fox became upset and decided to make the 3rd one without him and now we'll be inflicted with that 3rd x-men film. i feel sorry for ratner because the storyline is horrendous and the look of the film is laughable.

 

[WalkOn]

yes it was. the script is sub-par, but the head of fox is like a little kid that didn't get his way. both sequels were dragged along because the head of fox dislikes the property and didn't sign singer to a contract to get him and his crew to start working immediately. so while singer was waiting the word for the green light for the 3rd film, something better came along and he chose to make superman and fox became upset and decided to make the 3rd one without him and now we'll be inflicted with that 3rd x-men film. i feel sorry for ratner because the storyline is horrendous and the look of the film is laughable.

Stop going to Ain't it Cool News for your info. The leaked draft was a rough draft of a previous version of the script. Many things have changed. Both Fox and Singer are to blame for how he left. A film with a large cast is hard to make when you have to ensure everyone will have the time to make it. Fox has always targeted a 2006 release date. X-Men was in 2000, X2 was in 2003 and X3 in 2006. The Memorial Day opening was locked in early last year. Like I said, it's extremely difficult to get a large high profile cast scheduled correctly to make a film. Fox/Marvel could not wait for Singer to finish with Superman as then X-Men 3 would have had to come out in 2008 and 2009 considering the cast has other films they are obligated to.

I'm not a fan of the head of Fox, he's kind of an idiot. But, to hold such a negative view on a film you haven't seen is absurd.

 

[awesome liver]

Stop going to Ain't it Cool News for your info. The leaked draft was a rough draft of a previous version of the script. Many things have changed. Both Fox and Singer are to blame for how he left. A film with a large cast is hard to make when you have to ensure everyone will have the time to make it. Fox has always targeted a 2006 release date. X-Men was in 2000, X2 was in 2003 and X3 in 2006. The Memorial Day opening was locked in early last year. Like I said, it's extremely difficult to get a large high profile cast scheduled correctly to make a film. Fox/Marvel could not wait for Singer to finish with Superman as then X-Men 3 would have had to come out in 2008 and 2009 considering the cast has other films they are obligated to.

I'm not a fan of the head of Fox, he's kind of an idiot. But, to hold such a negative view on a film you haven't seen is absurd.

you have seen the production photos and the posters, correct? juggernaut? that outit is laughable.

singer would have stayed to do x-men 3 if there were a contract. since he didn't he chose superman which was a sure thing rather than x-men 3. if there was a contract, he would have been legally bound to direct the third film.

and no, getting multiple actors to do films in what amounts to cameos isn't hard. case in point: harry potter. those films have multiple A-list stars and character actors and hardly any B-listers and yet those films work because of staggered scheduling. x-men has a whole lot of b-list actors and two a-listers. this isn't rocket science.

 

[WalkOn]

you have seen the production photos and the posters, correct? juggernaut? that outit is laughable.

singer would have stayed to do x-men 3 if there were a contract. since he didn't he chose superman which was a sure thing rather than x-men 3. if there was a contract, he would have been legally bound to direct the third film.

and no, getting multiple actors to do films in what amounts to cameos isn't hard. case in point: harry potter. those films have multiple A-list stars and character actors and hardly any B-listers and yet those films work because of staggered scheduling. x-men has a whole lot of b-list actors and two a-listers. this isn't rocket science.

You do know that production photo's aren't a reflection of the final outcome right? You know there will be CG enhancements right? The Juggernaut outfit isn't that bad. It resemble's the uniform in the Ultimate X-Men comic run.

Yes, Fox took to long with getting a contract for Singer. But Singer knew they would get X3 rolling to meet their 2006 deadline. He pitched his story for Superman Returns to Warner Bros. and since they liked it and offered him the job he went for it. But he knew very well that Fox was going to make another X-Men film for 2006 and they would have signed him if he didn't jump ship.

X-Men has a huge ensemble cast that are not cameo's. Wolverine, Storm, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Professor X, Magneto, Rogue, Iceman, etc. X-Men has one of the biggest ensemble cast in a film. Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry and Ian McKellen are far from B-listers. They all have multiple projects they are working on. It is hard to bring this cast together especially since they had to renew several of the principle casts contracts. The longer they were to wait, the more money it would be to sign them all.

Have an open mind about X-men 3, that's all I ask. I have an open mind about Superman Returns even though there are many things I don't like with what I have read/heard/seen about the film.

 

[awesome liver]

i'm not too crazy about superman returns. waiting for a contract that may or may not materialize is dumb. singer knew fox would eventually greenlight a sequel, but they didn't until after he signed the superman contract. they came to him to ask if he'd like to direct. the script was there and after he came on board, he revamped it a bit. you should be greatful singer turned down that property because he would have killed any chances of a sequel. i'm glad he has the last shot at x-men; it'll put it down and we can all watch the 2nd one and be happy and pretend the 3rd doesn't exist.

and the other beef with fox -- they are calling it a trilogy as if that means anything. this is a comic book property with hundreds of possible stories but they are stopping at three instead of keeping it an on-going franchise. the prospect of keeping the series alive is now basically dead with die-hard fanboys seeing it on opening night with the general public and then the fantastic four effect kicks in and boom, the movie withers after making only a modest profit.

you don't make movies to meet deadlines -- you set a date after you have a good idea of when the movie will be made to the best of the capabilities of the cast. pressuring a movie to meet a tight deadline is playing russian roulette and i hope fox shoots themselves in the face with it and ratner will stop making movies.

i hate his movies that much. he ruined jackie chan's career.

 

[WalkOn]

and the other beef with fox -- they are calling it a trilogy as if that means anything. this is a comic book property with hundreds of possible stories but they are stopping at three instead of keeping it an on-going franchise. the prospect of keeping the series alive is now basically dead with die-hard fanboys seeing it on opening night with the general public and then the fantastic four effect kicks in and boom, the movie withers after making only a modest profit.

you don't make movies to meet deadlines -- you set a date after you have a good idea of when the movie will be made to the best of the capabilities of the cast. pressuring a movie to meet a tight deadline is playing russian roulette and i hope fox shoots themselves in the face with it and ratner will stop making movies.

i hate his movies that much. he ruined jackie chan's career.

Dude, first of all, you have to have an open mind. Things so far are looking good. Give it a chance.

First of all, this is the end of a trilogy. It doesn't mean it is the end of the X-Men Franchise. It's the end of this certain story arc that was set up in X-Men and X2. The current issue of Wizard has a quote from producer Ralph Winter saying that this is not the end of the franchise because there are many more stories to tell. It is the end of a story arc, not the francise itself.

Many movies are made to meet deadlines. X-Men and X2 were made to meet deadlines. With X-Men, singer thought it was going to open in the winter of 2000 but got pushed up to meet a deadline for Summer 2000. X2 was on track for 2003 even before the story was written. These types of movies usually come out every 2-3 years to stay fresh in the mind of the general audience. Spider-Man 2 was released 2 years after the first. In a perfect world, people would "set a date after you have a good idea of when the movie will be made to the best of the capabilities of the cast." But we do not live in a perfect world and what you said rarely happens. Like I said, many movies have tight deadlines, like X-Men and X2. They actually have more post-production time on X3 than they did with X-Men or X2.

Ratner did not ruin Jackie Chan's career. Jackie Chan himself is who ruined his career with movies such as the Medallion and Around the world in 80 days. Rush Hour 1 and 2 actually helped his career till he made those stinkers.

 

[awesome liver]

both x-men films had a capable director at the helm.

 

[awesome liver]

both spider-man films had a capable director and experienced crew on it as well.

both sets of films had working stories and crew and carefully written scripts.

this third one was thrown together under tight deadlines. having a year to make a movie is quite different from two years.

 

[WalkOn]

both spider-man films had a capable director and experienced crew on it as well.

both sets of films had working stories and crew and carefully written scripts.

this third one was thrown together under tight deadlines. having a year to make a movie is quite different from two years.

Ratner is a capable director, albeit average. But the visuals for X3 from the trailer look interesting. A bit more pop than in the previous films.

The script for X3 has been worked on since January of last year. Time wise it is about the same as X2. Also, with X2, a great deal of the writing was done on the fly. Not so carefully written I would say. But it turned out great didn't it? During actual photography, Singer had the writers on set everyday to adust, re-write or completely change the script on the fly. This is also the case with X3, even though they started writing the script in January they have been doing what Singer did with X2 with X3. The X3 writers have been on set everyday during production tweaking dialogue and the such.

Also, Singer had only a year to make X-Men and X2 from principle photography to post-production. It is the same with X3. With X3, they actually have a bit more post-production time then Singer had with either X-Men or X2.

Also, the crew for X3 is top notch. Most of the crew has been nominated or actually won Academy Awards for their work. The Visual Effects Supervisor is John Bruno who is an academy award winner and has worked on numerous James Cameron films. Philippe Rousselot is the cinematographer and has an impressive resume to his name. X3 also has a top notch second unit crew as well. If you look over the cast and crew list for this film you will find top grade talent.

Don't judge a film just because of your disdain for Ratner and Fox.

 

[awesome liver]

um, you can judge by a director's past record since that's all you have going by to judge the film. the look of the film means zero without a story and capablity of the director to get good acting out of his actors. he has proven he has not been able to, thus, everyone should ostericize ratner and fox by past record. just like how a community treats child molesters who are out of prison.

 

[WalkOn]

um, you can judge by a director's past record since that's all you have going by to judge the film. the look of the film means zero without a story and capablity of the director to get good acting out of his actors. he has proven he has not been able to, thus, everyone should ostericize ratner and fox by past record. just like how a community treats child molesters who are out of prison.

Ratner can get a good performance out of an actor. Have you seen The Family Man? That movie is an example that he can get good/great performances out of his actors. Ratner's past movies haven't been all that bad. The Family Man was a great film, Red Dragon was a good film. The Rush Hour films were good popcorn fun and were meant to be that. The story of a film falls to the writers. Editing plays a part but the majority comes from writers. Without writers you have no story. Not the director's fault on that one.

 

[awesome liver]

the writer has no say on how a movie is shot. if the writer is there, it is because the director wants them there. i don't know if you know how movies are made. the script is a rough outline of how a movie ought to be shot, but ultimately, it's the director and editor. the final movie is the final script. any film 101 wanna be geek can tell you that. entire scripts can be rewritten on the spot because of the thing called the editing room.

the family man was also mediocre; the fact that he got a good performance from nicolas cage is because cage is a good actor who runs with parts.