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Sunday Worship Is The Mark Of The Beast

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Smilin, Aug 23, 2002.

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  1. Josiah

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    Amen PastorNB...

    I just get weary hearing people argue about things in "the law" such as religious feasts or celebrations and when to do what.  We are not bound by that now.  And I don't even think being a Gentile has anything to do with it.  Even the Gentiles (Goyim) who stayed in the Israelite Camp were commanded to follow the same customs and celebrations that the Jews were.  Our freedom now has EVERYTHING to do with the New Covenant (not the New "Law"...There is no new "law" other than to love one another as commanded by Jesus).

     

    I have to admit I had a little trouble following some of what you said in your post...I don't know if it's because you were unclear or I'm too "unlearned".  :)

     

    Can I ask what your background is (I mean what are your "religious" beliefs (for lack of a better term...I don't like the term "religious" or "religion"...at least as it applies today!))?  I'm just curious...  :)

     

    Thanks!
     
  2. prodigal

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    What about circumcision?
     
  3. Pastor N.B.

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    Josiah:
    I answered your missive & it went by by? Any way I will try again later on.
    Just wanted to let you know.
    In the Master's quickly finished for the House of God First,
    Pastor N.B.
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    Prodical:
    Circumcism was not the Law of the Ten Commandments, huh? Read Deut. 31 for Moses law. Try Rom. 2:25-29 for its meaning! If this has not taken place? we just flat are [not] 'born again!' @ Cor. 3:3 John 3:3
     
  4. camaro540

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    Hi Brian

    I just re-read my post, and I sure came off like a jerk. Sorry, I don't know way I replyed to your post in that manner, but I say sorry.

    Yes, I agree with you, I do not believe that going to church on sunday is the mark of the beast either. I think it goes much deeper then that...

    Patrick
     
  5. Chloe

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    I would like to point out that worshiping on Sunday is no different than worshiping on Saturday. There is no reference in Scripture to the Sabbath changing from last day of the week to the first. Going to church on Sunday is not about keeping the Sabbath, but is about worshiping God and learning His word and fellowshipping with other believers. To say that Worshiping on Sunday is the mark is absolutely unbiblical and ridiculous. We see examples of the apostles gathering together on the first day of the week in Scripture. Worshiping God is what is important, not the day you do it. Sabbath means rest, it does not mean you must only worship God on Saturday. Jesus is our rest, our Sabbath, He is the Lord of the Sabbath. Many who say "you must keep the Sabbath", do not actually keep it all all, as it was instituted primarily as a day of rest and not just a day to worship God. In Scripture it clearly states we are not to let others judge us in meat and drink and sabbath days, etc, and how one esteems one day above the others and another esteems everyday alike, and to let each be persuaded in their own mind. I am persuaded that I am free to worship God EVERYDAY, not just the Sabbath. That is the biblical truth, period. To try to bring others into condemnation for not keeping the Sabbath is not only wrong, but unbiblical.
     
  6. Pastor N.B.

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    Hi,
    I am a 'born again' Christian! (the kind found in Acts 5:32)

    And also I am [FREE] to jump off a 300 FT. Water Tower, if I so choose to!!
    Also it could be done any day of the week, OK?
    You know, Free I am!!

    So my neighbor is a 'pill' perhaps? (if you follow my logic)
    But I am free huh? So a little planned [murder] is ok??

    And now, because I LOVE MY SAVIOR & CHOOSE TO OBEY [ALL] HIS COMMANDMENTS, (James 2:10-12-Eccl. 12:13-14) not just the murdering one, I am some kind of a Jewish nut, huh? :cry: (the tears are for you)

    And some call Seventh day Sabbath keepers, stupid??? P/N/B
     
  7. Brian45

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    Hi camaro , no your not a jerk ,  and your post didn't bother me at all .

    You said you don't go to church because of the reason you stated , I agree with you on that ,  but I go to any denomination I choose , and if they try to shove their strange beliefs down my throught I turn it around and shove mine down theirs , and believe me , they soon leave you alone . 

    I have been to and still go to :

    Catholic churches

    seventh day adventists    (  If i'm playing golf on sunday morning ) :D

    Jehovas wittnesses

    Christadelphians

    Baptist

    Methodist  and so on  ,  man I don't give a hoot what people think , I only have one master , and all the rest can go jump  .

    Maybe you should try this .                   :)
     
  8. Kiwi

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    Our church meets on wedensday nights, God turns up, we praise him, I guess He doesn't mind we don't meet on sundays.
     
  9. kiwimac

    kiwimac Bishop of the See of Aotearoa ROCCNZ;Theologian Supporter

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    This is, IMO, just another attempt to ensure that Christian is defined as " people who agree with me, are Like me and with whom I do not feel challenged or uncomfortable."

    The SADDEST thing is that so much of the Christian church plays THIS game!

     

    Kiwimac  :cry:
     
  10. Brian45

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    To who'm are you speaking  ?
     
  11. Pastor N.B.

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  12. Brian45

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    Lets get this straight Mr pastor or Mr spagetti , I never called you a jerk , but if you continue to act like one then you may become one .
    It's late at night here and I'm going to bed , but believe me , I'm going to get back to you on this .
     
  13. Pastor N.B.

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  14. camaro540

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    Originally posted by Pastor N.B.

        Originally posted by Brian45
     


    Hmmm, I'm not sure whats beginning to take place here, but I don't like the nature of it.

    If I understand Brian45, all he was saying is that I should try going to these other denominations, and maybe even lead someone to the truth of Gods word that way. Don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but thats how I recieved Brians message.

    I wouldn't do that, because I don't feel that is what God has called me to do, although it may be what God has called Brian to do. I do know that Yeshua said that we would be able to drink any poison, and handle serpents, and no harm would come to us. This is the very thing our Master was telling us, that with Him in us, our faith, and the Word of God burned in our hearts, we could walk through the depths of hell, and no one or anything can touch us.

    I don't know Brian, or his approach in these matters, but I do know that Yeshua/Jesus walked amongst the evil, the fallen, the lost, the poor, the thiefs, and the beggers, he didn't go to those who were not lost. There is only one way we are going to find those who will be found, and that is to walk right in the middle of it all, to pick up our cross, and follow our Master, Yeshua Messiah.

    Patrick
     
  15. Pastor N.B.

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  16. Brian45

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    Pastor N B . You mention revelation 18:4

    Revelation 18


    The Fall of Babylon the Great


    The Fall of Babylon the Great
    1 After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. 2And he cried mightily[1] with a loud voice, saying, "Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! 3For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury."
    4And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached[2] to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6Render to her just as she rendered to you,[3] and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, "I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.' 8Therefore her plagues will come in one day--death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges[4] her.


    Are you suggesting that all christian denominations outside of your own are in Babylon ?
     
  17. Pastor N.B.

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    Pastor N.B. here:
    Josiah:
    Sure you can ask me what my DOCTRINAL VIRGIN BELIEFS are! :)
    First off, I am a converted sinner and am pround to be a "spiritual Jew" as in Rom. 2:28-29.

    And then from 35+ yrs. back, 'i' have had ALL of my Master's 10 Commandment table of stone recreated into the 'fleshy tables' my heart & mind by the Holy Ghost! I LOVE HIM!
    :clap: See 2 Cor. 3:3 & Acts 5:32.

    Next: This all happened before I wanted to be baptised. I STUDIED & STUDIED to make sure that i knew what Matt. 28:20 taught! "teaching them to observe ALL things whatsoever I HAVE COMMANDED YOU ... even to the end of the world"

    I doubt that this is exactly what you are asking? So on we go! In Eph. 4:5 Inspiration states that there is ONE FAITH! (that [had] to be the one that I believed in! had to be CERTAIN!

    Christ told me in John 10:16 that He had [other sheep] that were not of [THIS FOLD] & that He would bring them also! And in Rev. 18:4 I found that to be yoked in membership with [any] fold that is not the true one, (get this also) or that IS even the TRUE VIRGIN FOLD, if it becomes Apostate, regardless of Perfect Doctrines, it is still a FATAL fold to be yoked in membership with, without the Master inside her! Try Josh. 7:12's last part.

    OK: We, my wife & I found this denomination that passes ALL the FAITH, BELIEF, TESTING of Inspiration [for us], and we joined her. (35+ yrs ago) We had our membership droped in 1990 I believe? We left the membership of Seventh-day Adventism because [THEY LEFT US!]. If you read Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 s-l-o-w-l-y you will see the EXACT SAME prophecy for the last day TRUE Virgin denomination. And if you Read the Masters Words in Matt. 23:3,
    you will see that THE DOCTRINES OF OLD ISRAEL WERE NOT THE FAULT of their rejection. See Matt. 23:38 for a stated fact! And verses 30-37 for the Master's greif!

    See if you can grasp this? (I will highlight it)
    "{ALL} therefore [whatsoever they bid you observe, THAT OBSERVE AND DO]; *BUT [DO NOT AFTER THEIR WORKS, FOR *THEY SAY AND DO NOT]".
    There was nothing wrong with Israel doctrines at the time of Christ!

    And so we believe in, & are settled in the Doctrines of the ex/virgin True Fold of Adventism. ALL OF THEM, BAR NONE!
    And as Israel of old fell, so does Laodicea of Rev. 3:16-17! Try Rev. 3:9. Still professing to be Jews the Master says! And there fate will be the same as in Matt. 10:15. They have not Babylons confussion, doctrine wise, yet in judgement, they will be judged worse than that of Sodom & Gomorrha. :cry:

    Let me say this in closing: As inside ALL denominations & elsewhere, there are the MASTER'S SAINTS! Yet, ALL DENOMINATIONS ARE NOT THE MASTER'S TRUE [FOLD]. (it takes BOTH) And He tells us that THE HOUSE OF GOD WILL BE JUDGED FIRST! 1 Peter 4:17. The unlearned babes in Adventism & elsewhere will be TESTED with the Worlds testing of the Mark of the Beast.
    Yet, Adventism as a denomination has been judged apostate of her commission. See Rev. 2:5.

    Hope this helps?

    Your friend in the Master's quickly finished work of, 1 Peter 4:17-Lev. 16:14,
    Pastor N.B.
     
  18. camaro540

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    Paster N.B. help me out here, and tell me what your saying here?

    May I ask, why was scripture needed here?
    Do you not believe that this (John 10:16) is what is happening this day? Do you not believe the Christ is calling people out of Babylon? I have not been a member of any church in many years, I have no need that any man teach me. (1John 2:27)

    Is there a problem with me saying I am sorry for the way I handled myself in a previous post?

    What did this have to do with my "sorry Brian45" post?   I am of the lost house of Isreal, how about you?

    Yep

    What does this have to do with Brian45 doing what God has called him to do, and I doing what God has called me to do? I have not promised anyone anything, it's not my place to make promises.


    Patrick
     
  19. Pastor N.B.

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    Hi Chloe,
    I see no scripture for your statements. You are not asking for knowledge, but are stating these below as facts. These are not facts as I see them!
    I have NO trouble with you saying all of this, even BELIEVING them might be ok as far as your 'milk to meat' chapters go in Heb. 5 & Heb. 6? (for you or me!) In other words: I cannot read the mind, or would [NEVER] want too! :idea: But there is an Hosea 4:6 verse also!

    But with that being said, if you will back up 'your' words [with scripture], this I will 'contend with for [the Faith']. Again I realize that you have not asked for 'your facts' to be challenged. Yet, they are not 'scriptural' from this end! :scratch:

    A true loving friend in the Master's quickly finished work for the 'House of God' First, 1 Peter 4:17 & Lev. 16:14,
    P/N/B/

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  20. camaro540

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    Pastor N.B.

    Rebuttal to #36 & #38 please?

    Patrick
     
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