Sunday Sabbath?

[D.W.]

Dear Spawn, what is the issue that you think I am dodging?

 

[Spawn]

Do you keep the totality of the Sabbath according to the mitzvot or do you only keep what is convenient??

 

[D.W.]

Shalom Spawn,

I thought that it was obvious from my post that Me and my house Keep the Laws of the Sabbath.

G-d Bless,
Dan

 

[Spawn]

SO YOU KEEP SABBATICAL years as well as the weekly Sabbath?

 

[silkcity]

it's sad how so many people call themselves Christians, yet they still refuse to obey Christ. they follow all but one of the ten commandments and it's as if it didn't even exist! it's very simple, if you want to blind yourself to the truth then there's no need for discussion. however those who seek the truth will find it. how dare we add or take away from the perfect word of God! Isn't that blasphemy! Read the following texts. Remember Gods law is Gods law! NOT mans law! Everyday is for worshipping and the 7th day of the week is for us to rest as God commanded! What man changes or says does not mean a thing! The Holy Scripture is exaclty that, the Holy Word of God! Who are we to change it, add to it or take away from it? In this case it's the Sabbath. Remember along with reading the Scripture is prayer. Ask God for wisdom to understand the things he wants to show you. Personal opinions, mans ideas and traditions don't count. What is written, is written! For those of you who, sincerely, honestly and from the bottom of your heart, want the whole truth, not just the partial truth, pray to our Creator for wisdom while you read the Scripture, and you will find it. Don't listen to me! Read it for yourself!

Genesis 2.2,3
Exodus 16.23-30
Exodus 18.13-16
Exodus 20.8-11
Exodus 31.12-17
Proverbs 3.1
Proverbs 28.9
Isaiah 5.24
Isaiah 8.20
Isaiah 56.1-7
Isaiah 66.22,23
Ezequiel 20.10-24
Matthew 5.17-20
Matthew 15.1-9, Mark 7.5-13
Matthew 22.34-40, Mark 12.29-31
Matthew 24.9-25
Matthew 28.1, Mark 16.1-2
Mark 2.23-28
Luke 23.56
John 15.1
Hebrews 4.1-8
Galations 1.6-10
Galations 3.19-29
James 2.10
1 John 2.3-5
1 John 5.2,3
Revelation 14.12
Revelation 22.18,19

 

[Spawn]

SILK - where in the OT does it command that we worship on Saturdays? I'll give you a hint - it doesn't

 

[silkcity]

SILK - where in the OT does it command that we worship on Saturdays? I'll give you a hint - it doesn't

bro, i just said read the texts for your self. as i stated earlier, EVERY day is for worship AND the 7th day is for rest.

 

[SteveR2021]

it's sad how so many people call themselves Christians, yet they still refuse to obey Christ. they follow all but one of the ten commandments and it's as if it didn't even exist! it's very simple, if you want to blind yourself to the truth then there's no need for discussion. however those who seek the truth will find it. how dare we add or take away from the perfect word of God! Isn't that blasphemy! Read the following texts. Remember Gods law is Gods law! NOT mans law! Everyday is for worshipping and the 7th day of the week is for us to rest as God commanded!

Brother, it sounds like you are still living under the Old Covenant. Under the Old Covenant there were specific times that were more holy than others (Sabbath) and there were specific locations that were more holy than others (the Temple). Christ's death and resurrection did away with all of that...Now all of space and time are sanctified - we now have a much greater obligation...we are to honor every moment of every day no matter where we are. Remember that Jesus said that the Sabbath was created for man not man for the Sabbath...It truly is a much higher calling to honor every day!

Remember that Jesus revealed the heart of the God's commands. The heart of the message was love for God and love for neighbor. The New Covenant is much less legalistic but it is also much more demanding.

However you feel about this I would encourage you to attempt a more tactful approach. While you zealously defend your view of truth (and we are all in the same boat) keep in mind that others are watching. Let's be known by our love for one another.

God Bless you.

Stephen

 

[Spawn]

bro, i just said read the texts for your self. as i stated earlier, EVERY day is for worship AND the 7th day is for rest.

I don't have to look up your litany of verses to know that nowhere in scipture are we told to worship on any given day of the week.

I fail to undertsand what the hoopla is about - unless someone changed the calander and did not tell me, we still get Saturday and Sundays for weekends.

 

[D.W.]

SO YOU KEEP SABBATICAL years as well as the weekly Sabbath?

Shalom,

I DO KEEP THE SABBATH!!
There are 613 mizvot, you must understand that not all 613 apply to you.
Some are for the Levitical preisthood, some are for the woman, some for men, others for farmers,ect. ect. You must find the ones that pertains to you.
I akm not a Farmer, if I were I would be expected to keep the Sabatical years of rest for the land.

G-d Bless,
Dan

 

[JustinWindsor]

See Shumby's post (#2) in this thread. Apostolic teaching clearly shows us that the commands to Israel for Old Covenant Sabbath-keeping foreshadowed the rest we would have in Christ. That is...the rest we all (Jew and Gentile alike) would have from the works of the Law.

Jesus kept the Sabbath, He was Jewish, and He was the only one who ever kept all points of the Law. He was the only one who never sinned. That made Him the only one worthy to redeem us from the Law. Paul's writing is clear, and so is the letter to the Hebrews, regarding the place of the Old Covenant. Christ is our Sabbath. He has abolished the requirements of keeping the law having nailed it to the cross.

The Apostles have spoken clearly. Paul corrected Peter when Peter was trying to keep Jewish converts and Gentile Christians under bondage of the law. Jesus lifts the yoke of the Law, and becomes yoked with us.

Read the book of Hebrews. The writer spends the whole time explaining the difference between the Covenants. In chapter 4 it clearly shows that our Sabbath rest is in Christ, not in Sabbath-keeping, for Christ is our Sabbath rest. (KJV has a problem with verse 8, please use any other version. Thankfully NKJV has this corrected.)

Joshua could not give the Israelites rest by exhorting them to keep the covenant. Christ, however, accomplishes the Sabbath rest for the heirs to the promise to Abraham, that believers will be declared righteous by faith.

The Apostles have warned us against trusting the Old Covenant, or any of our works to save us. Jesus Himself, along with the Apostles, have taught clearly against a legalistic approach to our faith.

It is the heart of sinful man who needs to go through the Bible and pick and choose to find a list of rules to follow to prove to each other that they're Christian. If your heart is right with Christ, you won't need a man-made list of rules. Those who are legalists or those who insist on Sabbath-keeping are very good at judging other people's hearts and gossiping. It is these folks who are quick to discount anothers' faith (see post #25 in this thread). They are the Pharisees of the New Testament, making up their own rules in spite of the Apostles clear defining of these exact things.

Christ, and the Apostles, had ample opportunity to include a New Testament command for a Gentile convert to keep the Jewish Sabbath, yet they didn't. There is never a command for a Gentile to keep the Old Covenant. It is the ministry of condemnation, the New Covenant in Christ's blood is the ministry of salvation.

May God Bless.

 

[Spawn]

Shalom,

I DO KEEP THE SABBATH!!
There are 613 mizvot, you must understand that not all 613 apply to you.
Some are for the Levitical preisthood, some are for the woman, some for men, others for farmers,ect. ect. You must find the ones that pertains to you.
I akm not a Farmer, if I were I would be expected to keep the Sabatical years of rest for the land.

G-d Bless,
Dan

Sabbath years were NOT just for farmers - although most of the references are couched in the language to mke them pertinant to the people these words were being spoken to - they were for ALL of Gods people. If you are not resting 1 year in 7 with the addition of a jubilee year, you are not keeping the sabbath as commanded by scriptures.

 

[Spawn]

Jesus traveled and gleaned and healed on the Sabbath - for which the Jews sought His life. Those pharisees were out to get him.

 

[silkcity]

we don't live under the law? i'm surprised! are we to do what we want and still expect to live eternally. if Christ's death abolished the law then is it ok for us to have other gods, make graven images, take God's name in vain, work on saturday, dishonour our parents, kill, adulterate, steal, lie, and covet? here's the thing, i don't know if you're doing it on purpose or what. i said twice that the Sabbath (saturday) is a day of rest. one of you keeps saying that it's a day of worship. that's not what i said. although it is another day of worship as is every other day it is also a day of rest. if you do not want to believe it that's fine. but why go and try to twist the word? you keep contradicting yourselves with the same texts you present to me. "tha sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath". it's as clear as it is. if it was made for man, why are we not to keep it? the texts that i gave you from the bible could not be more clear. and by your arguments it's obvious that you haven't read them. It is written 'God is not a man, that he should lie; neither a son of man, that he should repent...' Numbers 23.19. Why would he give his law and then take it back? Why would he tell us to do something if he didn't mean it? 'For I am the Lord, I change not...' Malachi 3.6. You say he does change. 'Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and forever.' Hebrews 13.8. Why does Isaiah say that we will keep the Sabbath in the new life? Why did Jesus say that he came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill it and then destroy it according to you? Is Jesus a liar?
Psalm 19.7,8 'The law of the Lord is perfect...the commandment of the Lord is pure...' Some think it needs tweaking.
There are so many versions of the bible for a reason. Read the history of the translations, look at the origin of the words and the acurate translations. Why have there been so many revisions. Maybe so the Word could fit a certain peoples ideas?
'The works of his hands are verity and judgement; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness....' Psalm 111.7,10

ok, so in conclusion, don't think i'm mad cause by someone's comment it seems that's the impression i left. by no means. i'm just asking questions to make people think. i just recently became a Christian by God's grace and simply wish to share my joy. a large amount of people believe, in respect to the bible, what they here from parents, pastors, or bible teachers without reading for themselves. John 5.39 'Search the scriptures: for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.'sometimes they're led to believe things that have absolutely no biblical basis. i'm simply presenting something that's already been written, without speculating, adding or subtracting, or twisting the word; no excuses, no ifs, ands or buts. Anything you here from anyone, regarding the bible, should be compared with the bible. ok guys, whew, there's so much more to say...but don't have space...anyway, gotta go.

 

[D.W.]

Sabbath years were NOT just for farmers - although most of the references are couched in the language to mke them pertinant to the people these words were being spoken to - they were for ALL of Gods people. If you are not resting 1 year in 7 with the addition of a jubilee year, you are not keeping the sabbath as commanded by scriptures.

Shalom Spawn,

What do you mean I am not keeping the Sabbath if I am not resting 1 year in 7?
Do you know anything of G-d's Sabbath besides the basics that you copy paste from a Jewish website.

G-d Bless,
Dan

 

[Spawn]

Shalom Spawn,

What do you mean I am not keeping the Sabbath if I am not resting 1 year in 7?
Do you know anything of G-d's Sabbath besides the basics that you copy paste from a Jewish website.

G-d Bless,
Dan

Why don’t you quiz me and find out if you are concerned.

 

[Spawn]

Don't say you keep the Sabbath unless you keep ALL of the Sabbath.

 

[D.W.]

Shalom,

Quiz?

How do you begin Sabbath?

DO NOT QUESTION MY SABBATH KEEPING UNTILL YOU HAVE A KNOWLEDGE OF SABBATH.
AND THEN YOU STILL DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO QUESTION MY KEEPING OF THE SABBATH!

Dan

 

[Spawn]

The matron of the house says a prayer and lights 2 candles.

 

[D.W.]

Shalom,

And that prayer is? What are the words in Hebrew and in English. The prayer should be said in Hebrew. Transliteration for those who do not read Hebrew should be best.
What do the candles represent?

G-d Bless,
Dan