Suicide Question?

[GMRELIC]

A 16 year old girl from the small town I live in committed suicide last night at about 11 pm. Her parents are divorced and she has had no contact with her dad since she was like 3 yrs old. She had a weight problem so kids made her life a living hell picking on her, plus she had acne. she has had a very depressing year at school this year do to the torment the other kids have givin her, and she had been seeing the school counsler. She had never mentioned suicide to anyone, or even acted suicidal. her mom told me the last thing she said to her was, I am going to my room I am a little tired and I will get up early in the morning and help you clean house to get ready for Thanksgiving, about an hour later her mom heard a gun go off, ran into her room and she had shot herself in the head, died instantly, no note, or anything. She was a friend to my son who was killed last December, and she has also had a hard time with his death. Ok my question is, some people believe if you committ suicide you are doomed to hell, Is someone who is only 16 years old responsible for an action like that. Isn't the kids who torment her as responsible for her death as much as she is, also insn't her father who has choses to be absent from her life also responsible? I personally don't see how a loving God could doom this child to hell because of this, he knew her pain. What are the thoughts of others on this?

 

[elman]

First of all I don't believe suicide is an unforgiveable sin or even necessaily a sin. God will handle her lovingly and you can be at peace about that. It does not matter what men will dream up about God's will in these matters. They don't know and it is not loving and therefore not the will of God that they burden people in pain about these things based on their own speculations of God's will.

 

[LegacyOfLove]

I know that my response treads on thin ice...but, my opinion is that God is merciful, loving and gracious. He knows our hearts. He knows everything there is to know about us. I don't have any answer for you about where she went, only God does. There are some who will say "Well, the last act she committed was murder...a sin, therefore she cannot go to heaven." To that, I personally don't know if it is as clear cut or simple as that. I think our Heavenly Father in His infinate wisdom and mercy takes all things into consideration. I do also believe that YES what those other kids and others have done to make her life so miserable...that they will indeed be accountable for it!

I personally believe that suicide is one of the worst tragedies. I wish I had an answer for you that could really help you through this time. Again, the only thing I can say is that God is a just God...and merciful and compassionate.

My prayers will definately be with this girl's family and yours...and everyone who this affects. May God be with you and comfort you as you go through this delicate time!

 

[Andy Roddick]

There is not a shred of evidence in the bible that says Committing Suicide is sure way to hell and no forgiveness. If a Christian man died while committing adultery with a woman, does he go to hell? I do remember clearly as you do there is no sin that cannot be covered by the blood. Who enters the kingdom of God is not up to us whether you are guilty or innocent. But we do know that everyone is born disconencted from God, and that everyone had fallen short. However, there is grace that can save this fallen and disconnected being, and that is Jesus Christ. I believe that God will look past her foolishness, but the question is, who is the Lord and Savior over her life?

 

[Beoga]

Ok my question is, some people believe if you committ suicide you are doomed to hell,

if you are a christian then no, if you aren't a christian, then yes

Is someone who is only 16 years old responsible for an action like that.

i believe they are

Isn't the kids who torment her as responsible for her death as much as she is,

while the made her life miserable and probably pushed her to do it, they didn't pull the trigger. I believe they will be held responsible for picking on her and tormenting her, but not for pulling the trigger

also insn't her father who has choses to be absent from her life also responsible?
pretty much what i said above

I personally don't see how a loving God could doom this child to hell because of this, he knew her pain.

yes God knew her pain, He experianced pain just like her, but if she wasn't a christian, she still didn't deserve Heaven. She was/is still a sinner, deserving of Hell. This is a very emotional, touchy subject, but that doesn't change whether she put her faith in Christ or not.

 

[fluffy_rainbow]

Is she was saved prior to her suicide, then she is no longer suffering and in eternal rest with her Holy Father.

If she was not saved, regardless of how tragic her life was on earth, she would be condemned to hell.

I know that seems horribly unfair, to endure such torment while living and then live eternity in damnation; however, at 16 she surely was presented with the Gospel at some point. Whether or not she chose to accept the free gift of salvation would determine where she is spending eternity.

I'm terribly sorry about her death (and your son's as well). Suicide is a senseless act, as are untimely deaths. It leaves people wondering "why?". Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. There is no good reason for anyone to just end it all because life is hard. Everyone has a hard life and problems are subjective. My problems are very real to me, but may seem very trivial to the poor soul who has to sleep under bridges and gain warmth from old newspapers. Someone else may be experiencing what they feel are very trying times, and compared to my past issues and personal debt they may seem trivial. But at the end of the day, no matter where we are or what we're going through, life is still worth living. Sadly, many people can't see that light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[seebs]

I think the modern Catholic position, that suicides are almost certainly at least partially of unsound mind, and thus not culpable, is probably very close to the truth.

Pray for her, pray for her family... But also pray for the people who were cruel to her, because cruelty often masks pain, and they may still be in our power to reach and heal.

 

[BowmanEatsCats]

If it says so in the bible it must be true! So yep. That girl is sentenced to an eternity of burning in hell. Thanks Jesus!

 

[Aimee30]

Well, we could think of her as not guilty due to mental disorder. I'm not kidding here, most people who do this are pretty depressed and not mentally healthy.

Tough question to answer.

I actually understand being picked on though. I myself wanted to die because of bad things happening to me. Parents need to teach their children respect for other people's feelings. Those who picked on her have her blood on their hands now. I hope they learned now it is not okay to hurt others to pump up your ego or to try to be cool.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Ok my question is, some people believe if you committ suicide you are doomed to hell,

if you are a christian then no, if you aren't a christian, then yes

Is someone who is only 16 years old responsible for an action like that.

i believe they are

Isn't the kids who torment her as responsible for her death as much as she is,

while the made her life miserable and probably pushed her to do it, they didn't pull the trigger. I believe they will be held responsible for picking on her and tormenting her, but not for pulling the trigger

also insn't her father who has choses to be absent from her life also responsible?
pretty much what i said above

I personally don't see how a loving God could doom this child to hell because of this, he knew her pain.

yes God knew her pain, He experianced pain just like her, but if she wasn't a christian, she still didn't deserve Heaven. She was/is still a sinner, deserving of Hell. This is a very emotional, touchy subject, but that doesn't change whether she put her faith in Christ or not.

First to the OP, I must say im sorry for your loss.
I know what it's like to lose someone be suicide....cause I just did, I was never real close, but it was sad none the less..

now littleapologist....You still have alot to learn. It IS the ones who tormented her who "pulled the trigger". They caused her to do something like that(and im sure a little of the other factors the op explained, but only a little...with no one showing they cared, it drove her to do it)

But dont you think if someone had the guts to walk up to her, and show her they cared, and her life ment something, she would have rethought her actions..

I have many friends like that, always tormented always left behing by other. This worries me extremely, because my soulmate once told me she would be dead if I wasent there supporting her....


Do you really think she deserves hell? She had enough hell on earth. So what if she "sinned"? everyone does. Does ANYONE deserve eternal suffering? No, no one does,and not many deserve eternal happiness either. Life is about balance. Without the bad, the good is nothing. but when the bad outweighs the good in such an extreme way, we get lost. Many don't know how to handel it cause we think no one cares..

So we must show we care for our loved ones. Talk to them, give them a hug... everyday. Reassure everyone in your life that they mean something, because you wont know how much they mean to you till you lose them..

 

[seebs]

I don't know how to assign culpability. To me, it's enough to observe that cruelty harms people greatly.

 

[jesusfreak3786]

I think she can be punished or forgiven, she can ask for forgivness, or stay in the depressed state she was in that day. I belive that our consciousness continues after death.

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

I am sorry to hear for your loss (regarding the OP), and I think that the girl is in Heaven, I've never read a verse in the Bible that declares suicide as a unforgivable sin. No sin is unforgivable with the love of Christ.

now littleapologist....You still have alot to learn. It IS the ones who tormented her who "pulled the trigger". They caused her to do something like that(and im sure a little of the other factors the op explained, but only a little...with no one showing they cared, it drove her to do it)

They did not pull the trigger. Sure, they may have lended a hand in making her feel the way she did. But they were not the ones who took her life, be careful in making that assumption. You can not blame suicide on the ones around someone, they took it upon themselves to end their life.

 

[Beoga]

now littleapologist....You still have alot to learn.

i do, and that is why i going to go to college next year (well actually i am in a community college for my sr year in high school, but still, i don't fully consider myself going to college until next year, hopefully oregon state, that is my preferance, hopefully i will get a good education so that i will have learned alot and be able to debate/talk intelligently with people on this site )

It IS the ones who tormented her who "pulled the trigger". They caused her to do something like that(and im sure a little of the other factors the op explained, but only a little...with no one showing they cared, it drove her to do it)

yes, they contributed to her suicide, but they did not pull the trigger, she did, she was still the one that picked up the gun, bought into the lies she was fed by these people, and pulled the trigger. these people are responsible for tormenting her, but not for killing her, she is responsible for the killing

But dont you think if someone had the guts to walk up to her, and show her they cared, and her life ment something, she would have rethought her actions..

Maybe she would have, but what if she still committed suicide, would she now be responsible for pulling the trigger?

I have many friends like that, always tormented always left behing by other. This worries me extremely, because my soulmate once told me she would be dead if I wasent there supporting her....

I am very sorry to hear about these people and extremely happy that you have been able to support your soulmate and help stop her from doing anything.

Do you really think she deserves hell?

yes i really think she deserves hell, she sinned, she broke God's laws, she is an enemy of God

She had enough hell on earth. So what if she "sinned"? everyone does. Does ANYONE deserve eternal suffering? No, no one does,and not many deserve eternal happiness either.

you are correct, everyone sins, that is why everyone deserves hell, that is their just consequence

Life is about balance. Without the bad, the good is nothing. but when the bad outweighs the good in such an extreme way, we get lost. Many don't know how to handel it cause we think no one cares..

i dont know about that

So we must show we care for our loved ones. Talk to them, give them a hug... everyday. Reassure everyone in your life that they mean something, because you wont know how much they mean to you till you lose them..

completly agree...i really like hugs

 

[Chrono Traveler]

I am sorry to hear for your loss (regarding the OP), and I think that the girl is in Heaven, I've never read a verse in the Bible that declares suicide as a unforgivable sin. No sin is unforgivable with the love of Christ.


They did not pull the trigger. Sure, they may have lended a hand in making her feel the way she did. But they were not the ones who took her life, be careful in making that assumption. You can not blame suicide on the ones around someone, they took it upon themselves to end their life.

I know it, cause ive been there, I know it cause ive had those feelings before. I have experienced it....I know what its like, when people show they don't care, when everything is goingwrong, and all anyone can do is make fun of you....Sure they didn't take her life, but is she had their respect and compassion, Im sure it could have turned out better..

 

[Chrono Traveler]

i do, and that is why i going to go to college next year (well actually i am in a community college for my sr year in high school, but still, i don't fully consider myself going to college until next year, hopefully oregon state, that is my preferance, hopefully i will get a good education so that i will have learned alot and be able to debate/talk intelligently with people on this site )



yes, they contributed to her suicide, but they did not pull the trigger, she did, she was still the one that picked up the gun, bought into the lies she was fed by these people, and pulled the trigger. these people are responsible for tormenting her, but not for killing her, she is responsible for the killing



Maybe she would have, but what if she still committed suicide, would she now be responsible for pulling the trigger?



I am very sorry to hear about these people and extremely happy that you have been able to support your soulmate and help stop her from doing anything.



yes i really think she deserves hell, she sinned, she broke God's laws, she is an enemy of God



you are correct, everyone sins, that is why everyone deserves hell, that is their just consequence



i dont know about that



completly agree...i really like hugs

Please, please. Dont be so quick to comdem someone to hell...No one really deserves eternal suffering. And people like her could really use our best wishes..

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

I know it, cause ive been there, I know it cause ive had those feelings before. I have experienced it....I know what its like, when people show they don't care, when everything is goingwrong, and all anyone can do is make fun of you....Sure they didn't take her life, but is she had their respect and compassion, Im sure it could have turned out better..

I have felt thoughts of suicide too, major problems with family issues, I won't go into the full extent of it, but that doesn't mean my family killed me. Yes, it would be better if we all loved each other, but don't blame someone for taking anothers life.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

I have felt thoughts of suicide too, major problems with family issues, I won't go into the full extent of it, but that doesn't mean my family killed me. Yes, it would be better if we all loved each other, but don't blame someone for taking anothers life.

I know, Im sorry, but it make me so angry to see people treated like dirt. But I hope that they realize now that you cant treat people like that and expect a good turnout. I hope they now treat everyon with compassion..

 

[SarcasmDispenser]

I know, Im sorry, but it make me so angry to see people treated like dirt. But I hope that they realize now that you cant treat people like that and expect a good turnout. I hope they now treat everyon with compassion..

I agree with you there. Sorry I just don't like seeing the blame shifted... we can only start by treating everyone with compassion ourselves.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

I agree with you there. Sorry I just don't like seeing the blame shifted... we can only start by treating everyone with compassion ourselves.

Ive just seen too many hurt...Ive had to kinda save alot of people from it, and when I hear of people who arent, It makes me sad..